The jobless are no shirking scroungers – you try living on £65.45 a week

Jomo

lilac_lady wrote: »

Perhaps JSA should be linked (initially) to the wage earned before the person had to make a claim. If the person, sorry client (must be PC) hasn't worked, then the JSA payment should be lower than the one given to previous workers.

Germany do this

I think it is a very good idea. A two tiered system.

Jomo

liswan wrote: »

well a would get a real job if one was on offer unfortunately jobs today tend to go to those with additional needs( big subsidies for the sick disabled and young)
Employers dont want to spend their own money hiring labour.
Maybe since so many work ten hours or more on top of their working week we should reduce the working week by 10 hours to 29 hours that would create a few million jobs :T Then we could reduce the pension age and make it illegal to hire anyone over 60 give us a few million more jobs put up pensions and bang wallop its all solved :j

If you say so :cool:

It is funny how others managed to 'find a job' isn't it? !

Jomo

StevieJ wrote: »

I must agree that I have more sympathy with articles when all the facts are presented, still a pretty dire existence though.

Benefits aren't supposed to make life wonderful, although it seems some don't do so badly out of it, especially when kids are thrown in the mix and you 'know the system'.

iltisman

I retired a couple of years ago and I am still getting pestered by my old employer and others offering me jobs,which I turn down. I only left school with O levels but I chose a niche market that required hard work.
So the unemployed need to broaden their horizons and if necessary take a gamble and pay for training for a job in a specialist area.

StevieJ

Jomo wrote: »

Benefits aren't supposed to make life wonderful, although it seems some don't do so badly out of it, especially when kids are thrown in the mix and you 'know the system'.

I thought we were discussing single people benefits? i.e JSA.

Jomo

StevieJ wrote: »

I thought we were discussing single people benefits? i.e JSA.

Well you responded to a post that was referring to kids so I'm confused now

JBA can be claimed by a member of a family unit as well.

liswan

lilac_lady wrote: »

Perhaps JSA should be linked (initially) to the wage earned before the person had to make a claim. If the person, sorry client (must be PC) hasn't worked, then the JSA payment should be lower than the one given to previous workers.

the longer you are on benefits the harder it becomes to make ends meet as beds and cookers etc need to be replaced.
For the short term on benefits most people will manage, and the JSA that I received was contributions based so it is linked to wages unless you think the rest of us should not only work to stop people starving but pay taxes for the rich to carry on with their lifestyles.while moaning about feeding kids and disabled.

robpw2

headcoat wrote: »

£65.45 plus all the other benefits, such as rent paid, council tax paid, water rates paid, prescription charges paid, and many many more....now add it all up and see how much a week it comes to......go to McDonalds or Burger King and get a job....simple!!!

I just came back from town and saw at least three shops advertising, there are jobs out there you just have to get out there and claim the travel allowance back, and stamps back and claim for a new suit.

you most certainly do not get your water paid or free prescriptions on jsa and not on incapacity either

i have been on incapacity and i get £20 extra but i recieve no other benefits- however they most certainly are not entitled to water or prescriptions and whilst i apply for jobs everyday - there is no-one who wishes to employ me,.

so come back from "your own little world" and see what its really like

kabayiri

One thing I hope we can all agree on.

The current system is broken. If it was fine we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I'd start by scrapping this rule about additional income. If someone on JSA can earn additional money by working 10 hours a week in Burger King, good on them.

At this point in time I couldn't give a monkeys about the arguments that it isn't fair, and it creates an unlevel playing field.

It gets people into earning money through piecemeal activity; having multiple sources of income. This might become a lot more important once some of 'job for life' roles disappear.

Jomo

liswan wrote: »

the longer you are on benefits the harder it becomes to make ends meet as beds and cookers etc need to be replaced.
For the short term on benefits most people will manage, and the JSA that I received was contributions based so it is linked to wages unless you think the rest of us should not only work to stop people starving but pay taxes for the rich to carry on with their lifestyles.while moaning about feeding kids and disabled.

The long term unemployed do not have to fork out for appliances or such because they either rent from private or council who are ultimately responsible for such things. There are places they can go for cheap furniture, beds etc. etc.

If somebody gets made redundant they proabably need more money to initially as some providers charge a fee, ie mobile phone, if you come out of a contract early. The higher rate of JSA would only be for a set time so hopefully the claimant will lower their outgoings in this time to prepare themselves for when the amount reduces. But of course, hopefully they will have found another job before that happens.