The jobless are no shirking scroungers – you try living on £65.45 a week

carolt

custardy wrote: »

if you have a job/skills that allow that,millions dont

Rubbish - what 'skills' do you need to set up an ebay business.

Or do childminding, local cleaning, etc - just classic defeatism.

When we moved here I couldn't drive and was limited to working only when my son was asleep, with no childcare cover. I set up 1 business working at home, and had 3 other work-from-home jobs as well (all self-employed).

If you have to, you can, whatever your skillsbase. No one has NO skills.

The problem is that under the current system, there is no motivation to try, and too much expectation that someone ought to 'give' them a job.

Doctor Gloom - the way for those 5 million people to get work, if they can't find a job, is to create their own jobs - there are no limits on that.

Possibly what we need is more 'entrepreneurial education' - like the various young enterprise-type schemes. So that people realise this can be a reality.

Interestingly, my 10-year old DD has borrowed all my setting-up-your-own-business books and is desperate to set up her own business. She has watched me and so it seems natural to her. She's sewing dolls' clothes at the minute, to sell on ebay...

robpw2

carolt wrote: »

Rubbish - what 'skills' do you need to set up an ebay business.

Or do childminding, local cleaning, etc - just classic defeatism.

When we moved here I couldn't drive and was limited to working only when my son was asleep, with no childcare cover. I set up 1 business working at home, and had 3 other work-from-home jobs as well (all self-employed).

you need money to sey up a business - as for childminding you need to be ofsted registered again you need money ,

carolt

custardy wrote: »

a hour and a half commute sounds fine,so thats 3 hours travelling plus an 8 hour day(for average)
11 hours,my boys nursery is open 11 hours max.so if i was looking for work that would mean i had no time spare for childcare
if i am late collecting my boy its £35 each time
if it continues he would lose his place

And...

So what's wrong with a 3 hour commute?

Millions do it - my OH has done if for over a decade...

You need to have a more can-do attitude - read my post above for how I found work to fit in with my v limited hours and geographic mobility.

carolt

robpw2 wrote: »

you need money to sey up a business - as for childminding you need to be ofsted registered again you need money ,

Rubbish - you GET GRANTS to set up as a childminder - several hundred pounds to cover all costs.

At least bother researching before posting this rubbish.

robpw2

carolt wrote: »

Rubbish - you GET GRANTS to set up as a childminder - several hundred pounds to cover all costs.

At least bother researching before posting this rubbish.

i'm not going to argue with you but theres no-way i could look after kids 1. i can barely look after myself 2. my flat tennency does not allow me to run a business from my home

custardy

carolt wrote: »

And...

So what's wrong with a 3 hour commute?

Millions do it - my OH has done if for over a decade...

You need to have a more can-do attitude - read my post above for how I found work to fit in with my v limited hours and geographic mobility.

you assume i am not working,i dont need that can do attitude
i have done far more than 3 hour commutes in my time but its not practical
paying £35 a time for being late picking up my boy wouldnt be great would it?
having a child limits the hours you can work,especially if like me you dont have any family support

robpw2

carolt wrote: »

Rubbish - you GET GRANTS to set up as a childminder - several hundred pounds to cover all costs.

At least bother researching before posting this rubbish.

question for you
would you leave your children with a 28 year old male who has disabilities ? :eek:

carolt

robpw2 wrote: »

i'm not going to argue with you but theres no-way i could look after kids 1. i can barely look after myself 2. my flat tennency does not allow me to run a business from my home

So maybe childminding is not for you.

But there are an infinite number of other possibilities that would suit you better - without knowing you I can't suggest what would be ideal for you but surely you are capable of a little imagination?

I have been unemployed when younger and I know that the hardest thing is that it saps your confidence - you feel you won't get jobs so don't bother applying or do it half-heartedly; it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I'm trying to point out how to see outside that (imaginary, self-imposed) box - if you have an unmet need in your life (and who doesn't?) or know someone who does, then you have a potential business plan, my friend.

carolt

custardy wrote: »

you assume i am not working,i dont need that can do attitude
i have done far more than 3 hour commutes in my time but its not practical
paying £35 a time for being late picking up my boy wouldnt be great would it?
having a child limits the hours you can work,especially if like me you dont have any family support

Agreed - I am in exactly the same situation as you; sometimes I've had to get cabs to pick up kids - no family help either.

Difference between us is that you appear to think it's someone else's responsibility to sort out your work schedule. We both chose to have kids - this is part of the package.

liswan

lostinrates wrote: »

I agree, we all hav equal rights: so why should some one free from encumbrance who has not paid into the system and not fulfilled the responsibilities that go with the rights and opportunities we have in this country be benefited the same as someone else who HAS paid into the system fulfilling their responsibilities...I'd rather the private sector was enabled to provide employment and the government kept to a minimum required to...govern us and private sector.

Rights incur responsibilities: I think those who fulfill their responsibilities should be recognised.

Since when was it the responsibilities of the many to increase the oppulance of the already super rich and that is what capitalism does.
secondly In order to fulfill a responsibility one must have the opportunity to do so
So if you cant get a job you cant fulfill this so called responsibility

Why are you so enamored the private sector havent you seen the consequences of private and corporate greed. Do you recall the waste and corruption and blighted lives that was and still is the consequence of private enterprise.

Why do you assume that the unemployed have never worked or contributed to the system Most of the unemployed have worked most of thier lives only to be flung on the scrap heap with if they are lucky with a pittance of a redundancy payment which is merely an advance on benefits. Which they contributed to during their working lives

If you think its so easy you live on benefits for a couple of years.