The jobless are no shirking scroungers – you try living on £65.45 a week

carolt

robpw2 wrote: »

not sure what jobs there are completly online but it does sound a good idea-to run a business such as ebay don't you need money - and also with all the problems with ebay i could see this being incredibly risky thing to do

You may or may not need money to start an ebay business - it depends what you sell. If you start by selling stuff you or friends/family already have lying around, then you have no start-up costs. If you buy stuff to sell, you may need some capital to start - but you don't need hundreds of items to start with, nor would it be advisable, until you know what sells well. And items can be cheap - try scouring car boots for stuff to sell on.

Or uou can try dropshipping, so nothing is bought in advance, until it's been sold on ebay - you can sell stuff you don't yet own, if you see what I mean.

Check out the ebay board for advice.

custardy

carolt wrote: »

Agreed - I am in exactly the same situation as you; sometimes I've had to get cabs to pick up kids - no family help either.

Difference between us is that you appear to think it's someone else's responsibility to sort out your work schedule. We both chose to have kids - this is part of the package.

where did i say that? im working and take care of my boy
this is why i 'enjoy' these unemployed threads
same old stuff gets touted out
i have done jobs where i did hours way in excess of what many will ever do
i have had 2 FT jobs at the same time with a 1 hour+ drive each way,and commuted between cities
however i have empathy and the ability to see the world through other peoples eyes

Jomo

liswan wrote: »

Since when was it the responsibilities of the many to increase the oppulance of the already super rich and that is what capitalism does.
secondly In order to fulfill a responsibility one must have the opportunity to do so
So if you cant get a job you cant fulfill this so called responsibility

Why are you so enamored the private sector havent you seen the consequences of private and corporate greed. Do you recall the waste and corruption and blighted lives that was and still is the consequence of private enterprise.

Why do you assume that the unemployed have never worked or contributed to the system Most of the unemployed have worked most of thier lives only to be flung on the scrap heap with if they are lucky with a pittance of a redundancy payment which is merely an advance on benefits. Which they contributed to during their working lives

If you think its so easy you live on benefits for a couple of years.

Is there a reason why you don't punctuate mid sentence?

You obviously think communism is the way to go. Maybe you should speak to a few Poles who are old enough to remember what it is like to live in a communist regime before spouting such rubbish!

ILW

liswan wrote: »

well that's the nature of finite resources the more thier consumed the less thier is available. Its the same with jobs. Added to that employment opportunities dont necessary coincide with unemployment blackspots. Do a google search and that will answer your stupid question

Oh and I do have a job a stupid low paid exploitative job where I need the tax system to top it up. But what a want is a real job that pays the wage I was promised at university when I took out huge loans to fund a qualification to ensure future employment..:mad:

Sort of sums up the problem of attitude. Because I went to university "I deserve a good job". Well I have news for you and that is "you are worth no more than someone is willing to pay you" If you are that clever and deserving, set up a business and prove what you are truly worth in an open market. It may be millions, it may be nothing. Just stop moaning about the job you have whilst pocketing state hand outs from others at the same time.

carolt

custardy wrote: »

where did i say that? im working and take care of my boy
this is why i 'enjoy' these unemployed threads
same old stuff gets touted out
i have done jobs where i did hours way in excess of what many will ever do
i have had 2 FT jobs at the same time with a 1 hour+ drive each way,and commuted between cities
however i have empathy and the ability to see the world through other peoples eyes

You're the one who went on about how hard it was for you to find work to fit in with your hours.

If you can do it, and I can do it, others can too.

abaxas

ILW wrote: »

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Sort of sums up the problem of attitude. Because I went to university "I deserve a good job". Well I have news for you and that is "you are worth no more than someone is willing to pay you" If you are that clever and deserving, set up a business and prove what you are truly worth in an open market. It may be millions, it may be nothing. Just stop moaning about the job you have whilst pocketing state hand outs from others at the same time.

Agreed, a lazy oppinionated person has 0 value to an employer.

macaque_2

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/30/general-election-unemployment-poverty

Pity them all. Time to raise JSA to £100 a week.

I would love to know what The_White_Horse thinks

I agree that £65 a week is a pitiful amount but that is the price of socialism and bad education.

This government is 'relaxed' about the population rising to 70 million but they have scant regard for quality of life. JSA is a bad scheme. Handouts undermine self respect and enterprise. The smaller JSA is, the greater the incentive to cheat. The bigger it is, the greater the incentive not to work and the higher the tax burden. High taxes cost jobs.

New Labour have been the architects of a dysfunctional education system. Whilst the best UK education has never been better, the scale of bad education has never been greater. Lazy teachers and 'Mickey Mouse' education programmes have undermined the work ethic in schools (if you have any doubts, just watch half an hour of 'Teachers Television'). Schools have also replaced the ethos of good manners and respect with diversity and equality. Young people coming into work treat elders and betters like mates because they don't know better. With so many lazy and/or bad mannered children leave school, can it be any surprise that companies look abroad for their recruits.

For ten years the government have played a three card trick with rising debt. Now that the Piper has to be paid, the 'economic miracle' is falling apart. The £65 that a job seeker gets ultimately comes from the pockets of wealth creaters. If people want more than £65, the money has to be earned. The country has maxed out on 'make busy' jobs and we now need fewer handouts and more people employed in wealth creation. This requires lower taxes, fewer petty regulations and better education.

custardy

carolt wrote: »

You're the one who went on about how hard it was for you to find work to fit in with your hours.

If you can do it, and I can do it, others can too.

i said how it can be an issue,not everyone has the same situation
for example I had to give a deposit for the nursery,IIRC it was about £700
where would you get that on £65 a week?

ILW

abaxas wrote: »

Agreed, a lazy oppinionated person has 0 value to an employer.

Not strictly true, I know a few lazy and opinionated people who have a lot of value to their employers. They just have a knack of being able to make their employers quite a lot of money with not very much effort. These are in sales jobs and some people do just have that something.

lostinrates

liswan wrote: »

Since when was it the responsibilities of the many to increase the oppulance of the already super rich and that is what capitalism does.

Fine, but why is it then the responsibilty of those who have to provide those who have not? I'd argue in ''societies'' things cut both ways.
secondly In order to fulfill a responsibility one must have the opportunity to do so
So if you cant get a job you cant fulfill this so called responsibility
Agreed...but this might not be in the way we hoped or expected!

Why are you so enamored the private sector havent you seen the consequences of private and corporate greed. Do you recall the waste and corruption and blighted lives that was and still is the consequence of private enterprise.

I recall private waste and coruption...and public wast an corruption. I see them as equally abhorrent.

Why do you assume that the unemployed have never worked or contributed to the system Most of the unemployed have worked most of thier lives only to be flung on the scrap heap with if they are lucky with a pittance of a redundancy payment which is merely an advance on benefits. Which they contributed to during their working lives

why do you asume I assume that? where did I say anything like that?

If you think its so easy you live on benefits for a couple of years.

Like you I'm a graduate. I worked a full time job and started a business while a full time student, and post graduation worked in my business and two other jobs. I worked whereever I could whenever I could. My degree and education hasn't stopped me stacking supermarket shelves and shoveling !!!!!!, but it has helped me achieve a lot more too. I no longer work, mainly because of ill health but for a few other reasons too. Even while my doctors said I should be signed off though, I lugged my self out to do work..often new work as the ability to use some of my old skills is long gone. While I was relearning how to write, both motor skills of holding a pen and linguistics, I worked as a solicitor's clerk, getting to courts on public transport or car in and around London, on sticks, and taking notes.. Hardly glamorous or well paid, and sometimes painful and difficult, but the opportunity was there and so I took it rather than wait for something more suitable/better or for my life to change. I'm fairly sure at points before the last couple years we did live off the sort of money people on meagre benefits would have, but luckily self imposed while we built up savings or stopped ourselves dipping into them. This is partly luck, but also the fact we were prepared to change careers, countries and life plans for opportunities.