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The jobless are no shirking scroungers – you try living on £65.45 a week

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  • Jomo
    Jomo Posts: 8,253 Forumite
    ebt247 wrote: »
    But saying that your neighbour had 25 in his house makes him the illegal idiot and the poles more his victims. What i am saying here is that you can't blame anything on the poles. They were told there was work here and there obviously was as there are a lot of them working.

    The fact that brits can't find jobs means either the poles have taken them because they are better or the brits are not looking as hard as the poles. They have them so they must be there.

    ...or the brits are quite happy taking their benefits...the poles are providing them with the perfect excuse!

    It is funny how the Poles can come over here and find work quite easily. It just goes to show if benefits were removed from some of the workshy in this country what can be done!
  • Jomo
    Jomo Posts: 8,253 Forumite
    vaporate wrote: »
    Poles? Wouldn't surprise me. That's the message I'm trying to put through regarding salary and expenses.

    The poles don't get housing allowance or council tax reductions, in some cases these get paid completely for some unemployed brits.

    All it illustrates is the expense of living in the UK and the differences between the Brits and the Poles (Poles are used to living in a family unit in their own country).

    If suddenly these benefits were taken away, no doubt you'd see many brits having to share digs :whistle:
  • Jomo
    Jomo Posts: 8,253 Forumite
    ceridwen wrote: »
    "Blag it" to get a job one isnt actually capable of doing eh?

    The number of times I have read this wrongheaded bit of advice by now means that at least I have a good idea now as to why so many people seem incapable of doing their jobs well - ie they knew they would be useless at the job in question, but "blagged it" to get it...:mad:

    Personally - I would rather only ask for a job that I KNOW I am capable of doing.

    How about retraining? Sometimes you have to do these things to get on in life...
  • Jomo
    Jomo Posts: 8,253 Forumite
    Firstly lets create the 5 million job vacancies required. And only then force the 5 million on out of work benefits to do these jobs. But lets not put the cart before the (white)horse.

    And at the same time, get those millions motivated to work because as it stands they aren't even trying.
  • Equaliser123
    Equaliser123 Posts: 3,404 Forumite
    liswan wrote: »

    Also what is the motivator when unemployed not to break the law. .

    If you have to ask that question then, I'm afraid, there is absolutely no hope for you.
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    So has anyone got any credible answer to where the 5 million jobs are going to come from? What about you White Horse? Maybe Ask Dave Cameron, maybe he will know. But then again, perhaps not.
    Yes.

    You may not notice it but there is a software revolution going on out there.

    People may be dubious about it, but the combination of computerised telephony ; open source software ; and extension of service function out into public networks (clouds) is going to make many software services commodity, just like we treat gas and electricity today.

    There are potentially many thousands of niche jobs selling services over this infrastructure into every corner of the world. Imagine a young English fashion designer being able to sell custom advice into a range of upmarket boutiques in Canada, or Switzerland, using an online presence which gave the boutiques an edge.

    The difficulty is predicting where the openings will appear. You basically have to support people who will take a speculative punt into new territory with absolutely no idea whether it will succeed or not.

    This is a big problem though. Change like this takes a lot of capital and encouragement. Do we have the cash to bankroll this sort of thing?
  • liswan
    liswan Posts: 29 Forumite
    If you have to ask that question then, I'm afraid, there is absolutely no hope for you.
    Anarchy is the new socialism. Direct action.is required.
    If you treat the unemployed the same as criminals they become criminals
  • PasturesNew
    PasturesNew Posts: 70,698 Forumite
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    dopester wrote: »
    Are you really suggesting JSA levels should be increased to include the costs or running and maintaining a car?

    No, I am pointing out what somebody fairly new to JSA might be paying out for - especially when you first lose your job and already have it. It's when it breaks down and you lose it that it goes, but until it breaks down it still needs to be paid for just in case a job interview comes up.
  • Jomo
    Jomo Posts: 8,253 Forumite
    liswan wrote: »
    Anarchy is the new socialism. Direct action.is required.
    If you treat the unemployed the same as criminals they become criminals

    They should break away from welfare dependancy then...ie. get a job :cool:
  • PasturesNew
    PasturesNew Posts: 70,698 Forumite
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    Firstly lets create the 5 million job vacancies required.

    When it was decided to try to get 50% of young people doing a degree, one of the arguments for this was that if you had an educated workforce, then they were better equipped to start their own businesses. It was felt that in order to start/run businesses that would grow and increase GDP you needed graduates.

    Well, we have the graduates, where are the startups?
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