The jobless are no shirking scroungers – you try living on £65.45 a week

ceridwen

ebt247 wrote: »

Personally i would blag it and see what happened. But then i am a hard worker and would possibly scrape through. I would look stuff up on the internet and then go for the interview. Lie if you have to get your foot in the door - but get your foot in.

"Blag it" to get a job one isnt actually capable of doing eh?

The number of times I have read this wrongheaded bit of advice by now means that at least I have a good idea now as to why so many people seem incapable of doing their jobs well - ie they knew they would be useless at the job in question, but "blagged it" to get it...:mad:

Personally - I would rather only ask for a job that I KNOW I am capable of doing.

liswan

chris_m wrote: »

Hear, hear - why should those of us who have opted not to increase the overpopulation be expected to support those who have?

Its called being part of a society
For instance when you are sick expecting/ allowing people who are able to to contribute your costs , part of an extended family.
:)Even for those with none:)

liswan

what is the incentive to work

You come off benefits to recieve a pittance and guess what you still need benefits to make ends meet

Don't cut benefits Increase wages not through taxpayers but by reducing company dividends

Doctor_Gloom

Ok, looking at this entire discussion now. We're not really getting anywhere by simply stating that the 5 million people on out of work benefits should all get jobs - As there clearly aren't 5 million job vacancies out there.

So I presume then that they don't really have a solution to this issue and are merely content to let off a bit of steam by scapegoating people who are out of work. Fair enough perhaps but it doesn't really help address the issue at hand.

So has anyone got any credible answer to where the 5 million jobs are going to come from? What about you White Horse? Maybe Ask Dave Cameron, maybe he will know. But then again, perhaps not.

Equaliser123

ebt247 wrote: »

I take it as a graduate you speak many other languages as most Poles do?

Ridiculous comment. I am post-grad educated and always struggled with languages.

You've raised a non-issue.

Equaliser123

liswan wrote: »

what is the incentive to work

Pride. Credibility. Independence. The recognition some people are worse off. The fact that you are a contributor rather than a sponger. Everyone else does it (or else you would starve).

Oh, did I mention PRIDE?

bella1985

Genuine job seekers should be helped - if you pay in to the system it should be there to support you.

But too many people think its a right - I met one 'disabled' benefit claimer, signed off (his words) by a bent doctor, on a 4 month holiday in Asia. And his excuse? You either give or you take. I was too shocked to reply!!!!

madeupname1

vaporate wrote: »

Poles? Wouldn't surprise me. That's the message I'm trying to put through regarding salary and expenses.

Do you think they want to live 4 to a room? I would hazard a guess not, but they do it until they save enough money through work to find their feet and get their own place. Its called making a short term sacrifice. It just doesn't make sense that people from other countries, whose understanding of English may be poor, with less of a family or support network are able to move thousands of miles into this country and yet STILL find work and get by whilst others, born and bred here, free education, speak the language, family all around them insist there are no jobs.

dopester

PasturesNew wrote: »

Out of their £65 JSA/week, a single person, living alone, aged over 25, who tries to be doing the right things will be paying out for:
- water
- gas/electricity
- [STRIKE]telephone landline, internet
[/STRIKE]- [STRIKE]TV license[/STRIKE]
-[STRIKE] contents insurance (Buildings insurance if you are a home-owner)[/STRIKE]
- food
- loo roll/household essentials
- [STRIKE]clothes/hair dos, to look respectable for job interviews[/STRIKE]
- [STRIKE]newspapers for job ads, stamps (for those archaic companies advertising)[/STRIKE]

If you live outside of a major city, you've probably got a car, which you need to keep legal so it's available for job interviews and getting to/from work. In fact, having a car means more jobs are available to you. This means an additional:
- [STRIKE]car tax[/STRIKE]
- [STRIKE]car insurance[/STRIKE]
- [STRIKE]MoT/repairs[/STRIKE]
- [STRIKE]£2 of petrol in the tank[/STRIKE]

Are you really suggesting JSA levels should be increased to include the costs or running and maintaining a car? Use public transport, get on your bike, or go lodge somewhere closer to where the jobs are, or get housing benefit to be closer to the area you need to work in. Go live in a caravan, or a house share. Check out what others get on unemployment in many other countries before all the stupid demands for benefits which see you live like gods in England.

If you already own a house.. well welcome to end of Labour's miracle boom. In the post-BOOM world epic HPI which saw house values rocket to insane levels now have to crash. Get over it, if you felt they could not crash, or if you chose to buy at a stupid high price. Where are your savings if you worked for years? Mostly all spent away during the glory years enjoying yourselves?

The job market is much tighter. Labour's mega-boom has ended. You don't need a car just because you've chosen to live in some remote area. JSA is damned generous in this country imo, alongside all the other unemployment benefits. It needs to be slashed. I want a house price crash so of course I'm looking forward to swingeing cuts and reforms in unaffordable levels of benefits. There is no money left. I'd cut JSA down to £3 per adult a day + basic health cover + contribution towards accommodation.

MissMoneypenny

Spartacus_Mills wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/30/general-election-unemployment-poverty

Pity them all. Time to raise JSA to £100 a week.

That's what they get if they come off JSA and go on the sick. Unless they went on the "too sick to work route" and they are a state worker, because then they get a nice sick pension for life.