The jobless are no shirking scroungers – you try living on £65.45 a week

vaporate

ebt247 wrote: »

And what would you do if there was no money to give?

Would you starve?

No i don' think so.

I would guess that a lot of people on this board have been unemployed once or twice in their lifetimes but they always manage to find something.

Do you have a car?
Can you knock on doors and ask to mow lawns?
Can you clean windows?
Can you do a paper round or 4?
Can you do a bootfair with old stuff or just your stuff?
Can you walk into every single shop, pub, cafe and ask for work - have you done this?
Can you sell your house and downgrade to get more money?
Can you move in with a relative and save rent?
Can you do anything and everything to get some money.

People in this country think we DESERVE benefits because we pay into the system. It doesn't work like that.

All those people moaning about immigrants taking our work - how did they get jobs. I know loads of immigrants who find jobs within hours. They get employed fast. You know why? Because employers know they work hard, don't have sick days and appreciate the small amount of money they get.

Get real, Man up, Live isn't easy!

:rotfl:

You bet the employers do. More money for them.

UK citizens have bills to pay, they are not a charity. Not like poles who live 5 to a room in some crap flat above a shop.

ceridwen

PasturesNew wrote: »

I just checked on http://www.reed.co.uk - for ALL jobs within a 5 mile radius of my town. What did I find:

- HR Manager.
- Nursery Manager.
- Financial Planning Manager
- Senior Financial Advisor
- Commercial Account Handler/Insurance
- Temporary Finance Officer
- Financial Advisor
- Site Accountant
- Construction Project Programmer
- Experienced Cleaners (3 days/week, season only - and you need your own transport)
- Pastry Chef
- Chef de Partie
- Construction Project Admin
- HR Assistant
- Stores Manager (£6.50/hour)
- Personnel Officer (must be CIPD)
That's the lot. All of them. Lots of adverts to train as a Red Driving Instructor, join the Army or buy an expensive training course to become a plumber.

Which of the above would you go for? Could you go for?

There was nothing in the above list that I could apply for at all for one.

vaporate

ebt247 wrote: »

Ah, here he is..

The true Brit who thinks every Pole is a scrounger. How many do you know?
How many have you worked with?

I know at least 10 poles, Hungarians and other immigrants. They all say one thing about the British.... Can you guess what it is?

Whingers! Softies! Moaners!

It is very easy to blame everything on the immigrants but if we all go far enough back we have one or two.

I don't know any immigrants that don't work. They all earn minimum wage or more. They all pay taxes and they all manage to go home two or three times a week.

If they choose to live in rooms with five others then perhaps they want to save money so they can have a better life.

People like you want it all for nothing. You want it all on a plate. Me me me me me!

Let's have a plan. Let's send all the BNP supporters and other immigrant haters over to Poland or even better Iraq and bring in more hard working people from other nations.

What was your point?

My point stands. Uk citizens have 'real' bills to pay, not the pole who takes many pounds back to Poland where rent etc costs alot less (clothes and electronics is still expensive in Poland however)

Fact remains, just because the pole wants to be paid crap wages doesn't mean everyone else should take a pay cut.

It is just not on.

People like me? lol You are confused.

I know many poles by the way. I even lived out in Poland for 3 months 3 times with a host Polish family which I cherished and I know their wages and outgoings over there.

Wasn't pretty.

They love their Bols vodka though I must say lol

vaporate

ebt247 wrote: »

Vaporate:

You are very very mislead. What makes you think the Pole or the other immigrant takes money home.

Most of the Poles i know are now renting houses or flats in my town. Most of them are saving their money for deposits or cars to just for the sake of it.

Real bills? Why don't they have real bills too? They pay electric, gas, council tax, NI, Tax etc etc. Where are these not real bills?

Rubbish wages? Think not. The minimum wage is not rubbish if you need money. I would work minimum wage if i had to. In fact i might.

You can work anywhere in the EU that YOU choose to. You can too take advantage of any system that you find silly and useful. The fact that the Poles save money and some take money home is up to them. You can do exactly the same if you wish. You can work in Germany, Spain, France etc etc. You don't have to work in poor countries.

I take it as a graduate you speak many other languages as most Poles do?

Sorry but no. Mislead I am not.

Most poles I KNOW do not get the legal minimum wage. (factories)

Many other languages? so like Polish and broken English? lol

Poles 'need' to speak English anyway. It is much harder for a Brit to speak/learn Polish

I don't know where you are getting this highly educated Polish immigrant stuff from.

PasturesNew

ebt247 wrote: »

Ok well i would apply for the chef positions and if not i would at least ask if there were any pot washing jobs going. I would also apply for the store manager position as you never know it could be Primark.

You can't apply for the chef jobs unless you're a chef - and can prove/demonstrate where you've cheffed before .... which Rosette restaurants etc. I think that job was at some posh knob hotel up the coast a bit (you'd need your own car to get to/from it too).

Here we go: Chef De Partie. £6.50/hour. "required for a privately owned luxury hotel" 45 hours/week.

So you'd need to scrub up well. I've never been in a luxury hotel, not even through the door to get chucked out. I wouldn't even know what the posh things on the menu meant, never mind how to cook them.

Store wouldn't be Primark, no Primark probably for 60 miles. But it's not a shop, it's a Stores Manager... a Manager of Stores. A warehouse job, a picker/packer. £6.50/hour. Previous experience needed as you'll be managing other picker/packers.

ebt247 wrote: »

Why are you checking these websites? Why not get out there on your feet? What did you do before?

I am adding to the discussion. I am not looking for a job, as such. I am self-supporting, self-employed, bumbling along happily, claiming nothing, earning about £10k and sleeping in a sleeping bag at the moment in somebody's box room.

newlywed

I'm currently applying for junior jobs where I'm expected to work 40 hours a week, travel on two buses and a train and take an hour and a half to get to work for the grand sum of minimum wage.

OH is self employed so looking at entitledto they go on last years earnings which means no housing benefit or anything else. Yet he's lost three quarters of his work and I've lost all mine. So currently it looks like we qualify for my cb jsa of £65 a week and nothing else at all other than the odd bits of work OH can get.

So we have to pay rent? council tax? csa money - which again goes on last years tax return so therefore doesn't decrease at all.

In fact we would be better off if OH stopped working altogether and we claimed housing benefit etc. But still we would have a family of 4 to feed and clothe, electricity to pay for, heating and hot water to pay, etc - kids are with us half the week yet we get no benefits for them at all and OH has to pay csa.

Most of the jobs I've applied for have decided that since I did earn much more than currently being offered (pre redundancy) then I won't stay in the new job very long. So therefore they won't offer me the jobs I know I can do and have the qualifications and experience for. Am I supposed to go against my moral values and lie about my last wage?

I've applied for 30 jobs in 6 weeks. The jobs are there but so many are going after them, the employer can take their pick.

I don't think any government will make any difference.

PasturesNew

My neighbour used to have about 25 in his house. 4-6 to a room in bunk beds and 3 in his scabby shed.

vaporate

PasturesNew wrote: »

My neighbour used to have about 25 in his house. 4-6 to a room in bunk beds and 3 in his scabby shed.

Poles? Wouldn't surprise me. That's the message I'm trying to put through regarding salary and expenses.

mitchaa

silvercar wrote: »

MY car has 1.4 engine and takes only £40 unleaded to fill (from empty) I get about 35mpg, mainly journeys under 5 miles in traffic. A tank gives about 300 miles.

£40 worth of unleaded is only 33litres. What car has a 33l fuel tank?

A small vauxhall corsa has a 45l tank

kabayiri

ebt247 wrote: »

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You can work anywhere in the EU that YOU choose to. You can too take advantage of any system that you find silly and useful. The fact that the Poles save money and some take money home is up to them. You can do exactly the same if you wish. You can work in Germany, Spain, France etc etc. You don't have to work in poor countries.

ebt, i understand your points. I am no immigrant hater.

I have freelanced in Belgium, France, and a small amount in Germany; so I believe in free movement of labour in the Eurozone. There are intelligent hard working Poles, etc, who come here. I'm not surprised they pick up work.

But there is a core problem. We need to generate bulk employment here. Employment which will last for decades. Ideally, employment which generates earning from other countries. Automation is going to continue, and reduce the number of people we need in administration; back office; etc. We have to fill the voids this creates.

Where do these new jobs come from?

This government spouted off about creating a high value knowledge based economy. Have they achieved this? I personally think they are some way off the mark.

For example, we could have world class call centre operatives in this country; people who were flexible, knowledgeable, skilled and took a pride in resolving peoples' problems. They would frankly walk all over the typical Indian call centre worker I have the misfortune to deal with, who communicate poorly and cant think outside the box. But do we have the ambition to create these world class enterprises?