The jobless are no shirking scroungers – you try living on £65.45 a week

CFC

kabayiri wrote: »

For example, we could have world class call centre operatives in this country; people who were flexible, knowledgeable, skilled and took a pride in resolving peoples' problems. They would frankly walk all over the typical Indian call centre worker I have the misfortune to deal with, who communicate poorly and cant think outside the box. But do we have the ambition to create these world class enterprises?

Depends who you mean by 'we'. As you may know, call centres moved to indian outsourcing simply because the indian labour costs are so low. Therefore any company outsourcing to india has no aspirations to achieve any decent standard of customer service, let alone world class.

@ 'Dopester', how nice to see that you really are 'what it says on the tin'

dopester

CFC wrote: »

@ 'Dopester', how nice to see that you really are 'what it says on the tin'

Of course I am. So I'm wrong am I? JSA and unemployment benefits should be increased to cover the running a car (car insurance, tax, MOT, servicing, tyres, repairs), landline telephone, internet, tv licence, buildings/contents insurance, fancy new HUGO BOSS suits of course for job interviews (Max).

I think you'll find unemployment benefit has never been intended to cover those costs before. We certainly can't afford it now. Maybe you should have paid more attention during the mega-boom to what you're entitled to were Gordon's perfect economic miracle ever to go bust.

Income-related benefits, such as income-based JSA but also including contributory-based JSA, are increased by the “Rossi” index. This index is based on the RPI but excludes changes in rents and mortgages. Therefore, it also takes into account increases in a wide range of goods and services. Housing costs are separately provided for through Housing Benefit and JSA/ Income Support mortgage interest.

The personal allowance rates of JSA are intended to cover all basic day-to-day living expenses such as food and fuel for light and heating.

It is not possible to provide a breakdown of these amounts, as the rates are not based on specific sums for individual items. The Government believes that those receiving benefit should be free to spend it on their living expenses as they see fit, rather than have set patterns of expenditure imposed on them. There are no plans to review the methods of calculating benefit rates.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/183/response/596/attach/html/3/FOI%20363%20Mr%20Graham.doc.html

Doctor_Gloom

Firstly lets create the 5 million job vacancies required. And only then force the 5 million on out of work benefits to do these jobs. But lets not put the cart before the (white)horse.

PrivatisetheNHSnow

Doctor_Gloom wrote: »

Firstly lets create the 5 million job vacancies required. And only then force the 5 million on out of work benefits to do these jobs. But lets not put the cart before the (white)horse.

There have been vacancies all along - there have been hundreds of thousands if not millions of new jobs created since 1997, except they mainly went to foreigners and immigrants.

Why didn't they go to people on benefits? Because those people either felt that working on low pay was beneath them, or because they were simply idle and useless.

Doctor_Gloom

Simply there aren't 5 million jobs available currently. At an educated guess, there's more like half a million unfilled posts at the moment.

It's simple arithmetic, the Tory (and Labour) figures don't add up. Where is the future Tory or Labour goverment going to conjure these 4.5 or 5 million new jobs from? And along with another 500,000 public sector jobs due to be culled shortly.

I think people are being fooled by all the political parties yet again. It all sounds good but doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

Spartacus_Mills

Doctor_Gloom wrote: »

Simply there aren't 5 million jobs available currently. At an educated guess, there's more like half a million unfilled posts at the moment.

It's simple arithmetic, the Tory (and Labour) figures don't add up. Where is the future Tory or Labour goverment going to conjure these 4.5 or 5 million new jobs from? And along with another 500,000 public sector jobs due to be culled shortly.

I think people are being fooled by all the political parties yet again. It all sounds good but doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

Well people can sit on their !!!!!! and wait for other people to create jobs for them or they can get out and set up their own business and create employment opportunities for themselves and others.

dopester

Doctor_Gloom wrote: »

Firstly lets create the 5 million job vacancies required. And only then force the 5 million on out of work benefits to do these jobs. But lets not put the cart before the (white)horse.

The best way to create jobs is by entrepreneurship. Perhaps some of those on unemployment benefits could come up with some of the jobs for themselves.

I'm only saying that in the way some people expect employers (other entrepreneurs) to always be there, focused mostly on the pay they get.. even minimum wage jobs.

The hope for the future lies in incubating new products and services, in other words, in entrepreneurship. To do that, flexibility and adaptability must be the hallmarks of the economy and government policy. Legions of small businesses should be encouraged to form. Many ideas need to be tested in the market place in order to come up with the 20 to 30 major innovations that will create vigorous economic growth.

It's tough though. To do business in world where in many instances your product/service can be easily and perhaps more cheaply be replicated by other businesses. And the system set up mostly towards rewarding (in terms of pay) ever higher levels of intelligence and ability - with surplus of many intelligent and able people left behind and struggling. On the soppy side, we only need a few tech breakthroughs (eg: in nanotechnology) and perhaps we can have a much more relaxed and happy world. We've got to be trying to head in that direction. This world is barbaric at the moment.

The Culture is an abundant society, with no scarcity economy. One Culture adage is, Money is a sign of poverty, meaning that money only has a function in a scarcity economy, and therefore its existence betrays a pre-abundant (poor) society.

liswan

Doctor_Gloom wrote: »

So has anyone got any credible answer to where the 5 million jobs are going to come from? What about you White Horse? Maybe Ask Dave Cameron, maybe he will know. But then again, perhaps not.

The government plan to get the unemployed into community service along with British criminals to clean up our communities. Funny when I was young we had paid workers to do that, but then our public services would have been better more taxes raised. It is a bit like the chicken and egg theory what came first. I just would call it bad housekeeping or maybe greed

Also what is the motivator when unemployed not to break the law. You just end up with being treated like one anyway.

Jomo

vaporate wrote: »

Sorry but no. Mislead I am not.

Most poles I KNOW do not get the legal minimum wage. (factories)

Many other languages? so like Polish and broken English? lol

Poles 'need' to speak English anyway. It is much harder for a Brit to speak/learn Polish

I don't know where you are getting this highly educated Polish immigrant stuff from.

Just because they are labelled an immigrant doesn't mean they aren't educated. Some would argue that the Polish education is set much higher than that of England as well.

The Poles that I know are earning very good money, one in a bank, one in the NHS who is currently signed up to go to Manchester university to progress his career and that is just the start.

Languages, well I know a few who speak fluent English and German, some also speak Russian.

Yes, some Poles who do take up the NMW jobs are most likely the ones who don't know the language enough to catapult them into a job they would prefer...but they most probably are skilled and educated in Poland.

You go on as if you think you are better than these people who have come to England to earn a better wage. And why shouldn't they? You are just as able to go to Poland if you so wish, or any other country within the EU.

There are many Brits in Spain who do not speak the local lingo...what do you say of that?

It is the wrong assumption to think that these people are doing these jobs for less, they are not illegal immigrants!

Jomo

PasturesNew wrote: »

Store wouldn't be Primark, no Primark probably for 60 miles. But it's not a shop, it's a Stores Manager... a Manager of Stores. A warehouse job, a picker/packer. £6.50/hour. Previous experience needed as you'll be managing other picker/packers.

Not necessarily so. A good manager doesn't need to have that experience as they are managing a team not necessarily doing the packing or whatever it is.