2.5 Yr old Thrown out of beefeater

Lokolo

pulliptears wrote: »

I usually find that its easier to talk to people at a level they understand, so I brought it down to yours. Seemed to work

I'm going to respectfully back out of this now for OP's sake.

Thanks. I tried to back down earlier but people just kept trolling me. heh.

Norant

Lokolo wrote: »

By all means if the child was ill I would quite understand, this was not stated til later on. Therefore I made the assumption that the child was just being a pain. Just as though most of the people in the restaurant also did.......

And yes, if I bumped into you with a screaming child at a restaurant or a plane I would 'confront' you by asking you to try and calm your child down. As would other people in the same situation (or go to the manager if I was in a beefeater ).

However, given I am a 12 year old for saying the "Pray to God" comment, does that make you acting like a 12 year old for mentioning your son being over 6ft and built like a brickhouse?

Lokolo

Did you say somewhere that you are only 21,if im wrong i apologise.However age is not a measure of if you are a good parent or not,however if you are just 21 you are not long out of childhood anyway.

I take it that you are speaking from experience of being a parent? because let me tell you one thing if you are not a parent now you may very well be in the future,and sure for some people..(very few though) its a breeze,but for most its hard.

If you was in the pub,or a restaurant or a plane and there was a large group of twentysomethings being raucus and overbearing,would you be as brave as to approach them and tell them to shut up?

I think you may have said the wrong thing back in another post that has pointed you out as being child intollerant,well you need to be a little more understanding because one day that person in the restaurant with the misbehaved children may just be you,then lets see how you feel when you are doing your best to quiten your child for the sake of others and they approach you to tell you to calm your children.

NoKidsAllowed

I'm absolutely stunned by some of the comments in this thread!

As a 'singleton' pre kids I have tolerated other peoples children being left to run amock in public places and have vowed to never let my children be frowned upon like that.

Whenever I take my 2 pre-school daughters out in public I ensure that I:
- Take snacks and drinks
- Toys including crayons and paper to avoid them being bored
- Ensure that they do not run around in public and annoy anyone else
- Do not tolerate tantrums

And meal we go out for is taken in a 'child friendly' restaurant to ensure that they have highchairs/kids menu etc. We have eaten out often and have never had any issues. We always go out with plenty of 'distractions' incase they get bored/hungry etc!

Going out for a family 60th meal we were put in the position where the arrangements were made by the other family members. Our only request 'Make sure it's child friendly'. I have no desire of taking my children where 'Kids are not welcome' as I can appreciate that some people do not want to dine with children near by.

My daughter was distressed.
1. We had just done a long car journey to visit the relatives
2. It was lunchtime so yes, she was hungry!!! :rolleyes:
3. She was in the company of family, who in fairness make me want to cry!

We were in control of the situation:
1. A bag of toys were being unpacked
2. Husband had taken her for a walk to 'wake her up'
3. Snacks were ready to be given. Her sister was happily munching on some raisins.
4. She had asked for Calpol which we were in the process of giving to her.
5. I do not hit my children because they are hungry! Don't get me wrong if my child is doing something that is putting her in danger (refusing to get strapped into her car seat etc) then a tap on teh hand works wonders. Plus the threat of going home works wonders on both my daughters.

Another child in teh restaurant was HOWLING. That child's parents were not approached.

We were asked to leave. The manageress chased us out into the carpark and appologised and nearly begged us to return. I was adamant that I would not and it was only due to the guilt of a family members 60th that we returned. We were only asked back in as she must have realised that the food was cooked and would need to be binned (would have saved the job really!).

The food was bland, undercooked, cold etc etc etc. Yes, we probably should have complained at the time. But due to the facts that:
1. We had already had enough upset
2. Didn't really want to be there and just wanted to go home
3. Did not want to risk sending the food back and upsetting 2 toddlers by taking their food away!

A confrontation in the 'bar' section of the restaurant was the last thing that we needed so the meal was ate in silence.

My daughters are usually very well behaved. I never allow them to play 'aeroplanes' by running around restaurants. I'm a firm believer that you do not play around in restaurants and that is how I was brought up. It pees me off when I see parents allowing their children to throw food around and run around interupting other diners.

Suggestions that children should be slapped/not allowed in restaurants and not allowed on planes beggers belief!

Sorry. Had to have my say. Does not sit well with me people making assumptions that this was a bratty 2 year old who was playing up. She was in distress, not making a massive amount of noise (and no this was not parents selective deafness). We were managing the situation and the manageress made a situation worse.

I will never eat in ANY Beefeater again (and nor will I go for a meal with my inlaws again).

Maybe I should be contemplating cancelling out holiday to Disney :rolleyes:

Heavensbugs Wife

emsywoo123

NoKidsAllowed I am so glad you explained who you were at the end of that post, I was getting confused!!!! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

NoKidsAllowed

Lokolo wrote: »

And yes, if I bumped into you with a screaming child at a restaurant or a plane I would 'confront' you by asking you to try and calm your child down. As would other people in the same situation (or go to the manager if I was in a beefeater ).

In this instance you would have had no cause to apprioach us as our child was not screaming. She was crying, at best 'whining' as she was hungry/not felling very well/in shock of seeing the "in-laws".

Another child (less than a year old) was CRYING at another table. This group of people were not approached.

NoKidsAllowed

emsywoo123 wrote: »

NoKidsAllowed I am so glad you explained who you were at the end of that post, I was getting confused!!!! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Shoud really have put it at the start shouldn't I?! D'oh!

Lokolo

Norant wrote: »

Lokolo

Did you say somewhere that you are only 21,if im wrong i apologise.However age is not a measure of if you are a good parent or not,however if you are just 21 you are not long out of childhood anyway.

I take it that you are speaking from experience of being a parent? because let me tell you one thing if you are not a parent now you may very well be in the future,and sure for some people..(very few though) its a breeze,but for most its hard.

If you was in the pub,or a restaurant or a plane and there was a large group of twentysomethings being raucus and overbearing,would you be as brave as to approach them and tell them to shut up?

I think you may have said the wrong thing back in another post that has pointed you out as being child intollerant,well you need to be a little more understanding because one day that person in the restaurant with the misbehaved children may just be you,then lets see how you feel when you are doing your best to quiten your child for the sake of others and they approach you to tell you to calm your children.

Oh by all means most of the time I would ignore it and I wouldn't mind. When I was younger I had to spend a flight from Washington to Heathrow next to a 3 year old girl. She was an angel. Her mother decided that she would sleep. So I had to help this girl with her sticker book throughout the whole journey. Rather do that than sit next to a crying screaming child.

However, if she had been and I was trying to sleep, had a headache, or was trying to eat a meal out. I would go over to the mother and ask if she could do something.

Thanks for your kind response rather than calling me a 12 year old child.

lucylucky

The manageress may not have handled the situation very well, but from what you have posted neither did you, or your other half.
Between you and your husband I feel that it might be time to grow a spine and stand up for yourselves rather than be ridden roughshod over by family members, restaurant staff and the like.

Glad to hear you have made a belated stand against the restaurant and the family.

Good luck - better late than never

emsywoo123

Lokolo wrote: »

Oh by all means most of the time I would ignore it and I wouldn't mind. When I was younger I had to spend a flight from Washington to Heathrow next to a 3 year old girl. She was an angel. Her mother decided that she would sleep. So I had to help this girl with her sticker book throughout the whole journey. Rather do that than sit next to a crying screaming child.

However, if she had been and I was trying to sleep, had a headache, or was trying to eat a meal out. I would go over to the mother and ask if she could do something.

Thanks for your kind response rather than calling me a 12 year old child.

luckily, I have not been in the situ that the OP has, but I would LOVE you to come over and ask me to"do something" my child was crying at a lunchtime meal................:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Lokolo

NoKidsAllowed wrote: »

In this instance you would have had no cause to apprioach us as our child was not screaming. She was crying, at best 'whining' as she was hungry/not felling very well/in shock of seeing the "in-laws".

Another child (less than a year old) was CRYING at another table. This group of people were not approached.

That would have annoyed me if I were you.

Did any of the customers actually approach you to ask you to try and calm down or did they just go straight to the manager?

Also I asked earlier, but did you send the complaint letter by recorded delivery? It maybe worth sending it again recoded, then they have no excuses.