MS Office 2010 Professional for £43.99 (normally £429.99) Edited

bugeyed

skibster wrote: »

Hi, where did you find the Photoshop at a savings, and how much was it?

It's on the front page of Software4students.
Loads of other software there at bargain prices

Adobe CS5 software here http://www.software4students.co.uk/Adobe_CS5_Student_Discount-software.aspx

CS4 here http://www.software4students.co.uk/Adobe_CS4_Student-software.aspx

bugeyed

skibster wrote: »

Hi, where did you find the Photoshop at a savings, and how much was it?

Read this page for free upgrade offer

http://www.software4students.co.uk/Adobe_Photoshop_Ext__CS4_Student_Edition__PC-details.aspx

NewForest_2

Bugeyed: A quick follow up to the your answers yesterday (Thu 27/5/10 at 5:36 PM) please.

Would your answer to my point (4) (re: installing multiple copies of MS Office using discs) apply equally to installing using digital download exe files? Possibly covered by point (5) but I just wanted to be sure.

Very interesting about the European legal ban on moving the software to a new machine. S4S told me you couldn’t do this (but I haven’t asked them again since your answer). They suggested this was a sort of quid-pro-quo for the heavily discounted academic pricing. If these deals come under Microsoft volume licensing, not retail – does that make any difference to the right to move the software?

Thanks again.

jammin_2

NewForest wrote: »

Very interesting about the European legal ban on moving the software to a new machine.

The EU has banned the moving of software from an old machine to a new one? :eek:

bugeyed

NewForest wrote: »

Bugeyed: A quick follow up to the your answers yesterday (Thu 27/5/10 at 5:36 PM) please.

Would your answer to my point (4) (re: installing multiple copies of MS Office using discs) apply equally to installing using digital download exe files? Possibly covered by point (5) but I just wanted to be sure.

Very interesting about the European legal ban on moving the software to a new machine. S4S told me you couldn’t do this (but I haven’t asked them again since your answer). They suggested this was a sort of quid-pro-quo for the heavily discounted academic pricing. If these deals come under Microsoft volume licensing, not retail – does that make any difference to the right to move the software?

Thanks again.

Your first point - as far as the install medium goes /DVD or Digital download/ it should make no difference. I am still dubious about the advice from S4S regards installation on 3 machines but it will make no difference what the install medium is as regards activation as this only happens during installation (or post installation if you delay it) and both DVD and digital download installations should be they same at the point of activation.

As for the licensing - they don't state (that I have noticed) that these are volume licenses. You have an individual key, whereas a volume license wouldn't (so far as I know). And they do advertise it as retail technically.
To quote from S4S FAQ > a product purchased through Software4Students offers the same functionality as a product purchased through the retail market < so you would have a strong case to argue that this means that the normal retail terms apply. There is no restriction in their terms that I have seen to prevent the software being transferred to a new machine and microsoft policy is that the old machine must be destroyed (technically they mean the hard drive) but a good format would be sufficient in my opinion.

They do quote >
About Microsoft software

How many computers can I install the software on?

You may:

1. install and use a copy of the Software on one personal computer or other device;
2. install an additional copy of the Software on a second, portable device for the exclusive use of the primary user of the first copy of the Software.

Please note, for Operating System software (e.g. Windows 7) you are only eligible to install the software on ONE computer, this is for operating system software only<


This doesn't say one machine for life - just one machine, so the argument would easily be that so long as you remove it from the old computer, it will only be on one.

bugeyed

jammin wrote: »

The EU has banned the moving of software from an old machine to a new one? :eek:

Really ? I would be interested to know the facts on that.
As far as I was aware the EU anti-trust ruling against Microsoft actually forced Microsoft to accept that the software may be transferred to another computer so long as the original computer was technically destroyed - Either by full format or destruction of the hard drive.

Please post where you got the information from that the ruling was the other way round so that I can correct the information that I have provided. I have no problem accepting that I may be wrong, just need to see the ruling to be sure that I give the correct advice.

There are plenty of post stating you can move Office, such as ask leo http://ask-leo.com/can_i_transfer_my_software_to_my_new_machine.html

Microsoft do try to restrict the moving of the software
> Their terms for Office state >
You must assign that license to one device
The EU ruled this restrictive practice and stated that so long as the rule was considered 'one device at a time' then this didn't contravene restrictive practices under the EU sale of goods act. This is not the case in America or outside the EU, where Microsoft is able to force their restriction. But, within the EU, the anti-trust ruling was in favour of the consumer.

If this has changed please post the link for us - many thanks for your valuable input

blue_monkey_2

I am interested in buying Photoshop from S4S. However, I notice that it says this:

Only students enrolled in third level or secondary level institutions are eligible to purchase Adobe products.

I am guessing this is Secondary school upwards and my kids are still in Primary school - will they ask for proof? I was thinking I might enrol into college for a 10 week course in learning how to do computer graphics in September, does this mean I'll then be able to buy it.

bugeyed

jammin wrote: »

The EU has banned the moving of software from an old machine to a new one? :eek:

Even on Microsofts own forum this is covered

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/officeinstall/thread/222d676c-e6e8-48c5-9c69-cff1223bf2c2

and

http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/genuineoffice/thread/413e0f83-774c-43f5-bc1e-b55af6a6b1ea

and here the Microsoft employee in the first reply says it all

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/officeinstall/thread/b582412d-5c37-494e-b206-9ed59576d520


basically you will need to go via telephone activation to get the old 'hardware key' deleted (the special key generated on activation)
I previously have already mentioned this need for telephone activation

bugeyed

blue_monkey wrote: »

I am interested in buying Photoshop from S4S. However, I notice that it says this:

Only students enrolled in third level or secondary level institutions are eligible to purchase Adobe products.

I am guessing this is Secondary school upwards and my kids are still in Primary school - will they ask for proof? I was thinking I might enrol into college for a 10 week course in learning how to do computer graphics in September, does this mean I'll then be able to buy it.

The student restriction for Adobe software is much stricter. They WILL require proof.

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NOTE: Primary schools ARE covered (see the bits I have underlined)
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CS4 was heavily restricted but the CS5 rules from S4S are more lenient

To quote from S4S FAQ

>>>>

Who is eligible to purchase Adobe CS5 Products?

University and college students - students enrolled at a higher education institution defined as an accredited public or private university or college (including community, junior, or vocational college) that grants degrees requiring not less than the equivalent of two years of full-time study

Primary and secondary school students - students enrolled at an accredited public or private primary or secondary school providing full-time instruction

Faculty and staff - teachers and staff employed by an accredited primary or secondary school, or a public or private university or college


What do I have to do to prove I am eligible?

In order to receive a serial number, individuals must provide proof that they are an eligible user of Adobe Student and Teacher Edition software. The following is needed to provide evidence of eligibility:

Students - students must provide a photocopy of a valid, current student ID that includes the student's name, date, and a photo. If the student does not have such an ID, he or she must instead provide a photocopy of a valid photo ID and one of the following items:

• Official, current non-photo student ID with name and date
• Official, current school transcript indicating name of school and student
• Official, current school tuition bill indicating name of school and student
• Official, current report card indicating name of school and student
• Other official dated proof of enrolment

Students who are younger than 18 and do not have a valid photo ID may provide an official letter from their eligible school stating their name and current enrolment status.

Teachers, faculty, and staff -teachers, faculty, and staff must provide a photocopy of a valid, current school ID that includes their name, date, and a photo. If the educator does not have such an ID, he or she must instead provide a photocopy of a valid photo ID and one of the following items:

• Faculty or staff pay check stub
• Official letter from the registrar of the educational institution

Where is my product key?

Before you can install the software, you must obtain the product key from Adobe by submitting proof of your eligibility.

NewForest_2

Thanks again Bugeyed.

I picked up the reference to volume licensing at software4students.co.uk/TechGuarantee.aspx - about halfway down. (Sorry I'm still classed as a Newbie by MSE and not yet trusted to post links ) From that, I presumed from that the S4S upgrade deal (and thus the general supply of Microsoft Office by S4S?) was governed by volume licensing. Whether that is the case or makes any difference, I've no idea, but I'll defer to your expert opinion!