This is everything that is wrong with the UK

Cat695

Conrad wrote: »

I will be voting labour, but the benefits scam does sicken me. Part of my own business incluides a lettings agency and I can tell you all that almost every applicant is on benefits - usually a rent of £800 - £1200 per month has been pre agreed as the local housing allowance. The vast majority of them can work and are quite simply bone idle.

Typicaly they will be single with several kids and several benefits on top of the LHA.

Many here tell thier docs they suffer with panick attacks (the latest ruse here) which is difficult for a busy doc to test for so they just play along. These same 'sufferers' have no problem with all night clubbing though!

Why do people like shirley williams and shami chakravarty always say the abusers are a tiny minority - they are utterly out of touch on this.

Then you only have yourself to blame.....and you are no longer entitled to an opinion on this matter.....seeing as your happy to vote in the very Government that has created this greed/need.

ninky_2

SingleSue wrote: »

I've only got to page 2 and I'm in tears....not sure I will be coming back here knowing the strength of feeling against those on benefits.

sorry to hear that. personally i'm rather proud that my taxes go to help those in need.

i rather hope that some on here have got a bit carried away with indignation and really don't wish people like you back to the workhouse.

i dont' think it is right that people should rely on charity and donations to get by. the point of the welfare state is to support the weak and vulnerable. unfortunately there are those who take advantage but i don't think knee jerk reactions are the answer.

carolt

What do you think is the answer, ninky?

vodkawitch1

Such a shame the whole benefit system comes into question. Like someone pointed out they did not break any laws, unlike some of our MPs.

paybacktime2008

JoeyG wrote: »

educating kids who are brought up in the benefits culture to get out of it would be a start

I taught in a deprived rural area. There aren't many jobs, what there are are low paid agricultural/factory work. Many of the kids had never been out of county, some never out of town. I'm sure some probably could count on their hand the number of times they had been out of the estate. It's what they know and it 'works' there's a roof over their head, weekly cash sum from the mystical magical government. (A lot of kids don't realise that this money comes from other people who work) They could chose to work for minimum wage, have to pay rent, council tax etc etc or they could have a few kids, not work, pay no rent or council tax and have all the time in the world to watch Jeremy Kyle.

So yes I agree education is important but this way of life is so ingrained now in some areas-.

Rochdale_Pioneers

So according to the story a 22 year old man met a 16 year old girl in a pub and knocked her up. Nice.

JoeyG

To be honest I don't think any benefits structure will completely solve this problem... It would need to be so complicated that any savings would soon be swallowed up.

Many European countries have benefits systems, but vastly lower birth rates... its all down to society and culture, which cannot be simply changed through government legislation... this is what I mean by education... it cannot be done overnight, but losing the American consumerism influence would not be a bad thing

bexyboo1312

ninky wrote: »

so you pay for private education and paid for private birth and healthcare for your children do you? if not, then you are effectively getting a welfare benefit.

why did you have children if you can't afford to pay for their healthcare and education and expect those like me who don't have children and don't get child benefit or child tax credit to pay over the odds for it???

(i'm joking, i'm perfectly happy to pay taxes to support your kids in education and health)

No, but I do pay taxes and NI....these people have never worked and continue not to do so.....there will always be state education, and because I am being robbed every day for working hard and bettering myself to provide for my family, unfortunately I am not in a position to fund private medical care or private schooling - if I actually had a decent amount of money after paying the bills and necessities, then it might've been a different story.
I have worked since I was 16, so think I have every right to get back SOME of what my husband and I have paid throughout the years!
I'd also like to add that my children will be brought up with the same work ethics as me, seeing their parents work hard and having to work to buy them things - therefore they will contribute into society....unfortunately I don't think these peoples 7-14 kids will have that opportunity, seeing as their parents are quite happy to take take take!

JoeyG

paybacktime2008 wrote: »

I taught in a deprived rural area. There aren't many jobs, what there are are low paid agricultural/factory work. Many of the kids had never been out of county, some never out of town. I'm sure some probably could count on their hand the number of times they had been out of the estate. It's what they know and it 'works' there's a roof over their head, weekly cash sum from the mystical magical government. (A lot of kids don't realise that this money comes from other people who work) They could chose to work for minimum wage, have to pay rent, council tax etc etc or they could have a few kids, not work, pay no rent or council tax and have all the time in the world to watch Jeremy Kyle.

So yes I agree education is important but this way of life is so ingrained now in some areas-.

Thankyou, a perfect example of why education and not legislation is needed

Pobby

paybacktime2008 wrote: »

I taught in a deprived rural area. There aren't many jobs, what there are are low paid agricultural/factory work. Many of the kids had never been out of county, some never out of town. I'm sure some probably could count on their hand the number of times they had been out of the estate. It's what they know and it 'works' there's a roof over their head, weekly cash sum from the mystical magical government. (A lot of kids don't realise that this money comes from other people who work) They could chose to work for minimum wage, have to pay rent, council tax etc etc or they could have a few kids, not work, pay no rent or council tax and have all the time in the world to watch Jeremy Kyle.

So yes I agree education is important but this way of life is so ingrained now in some areas-.

Yes I agree. The big issue I had with Thatcher was she never thought it through. Dunno if she was right but when she came round my house for a joint and a Special Brew, at the time, she said that we didn`t need heavy industry. I said to her, Mags, what are you going to do with all these communities that suddenly are out of work?

Don`t worry she said, eyes glazed, we have North Sea oil, sell that off and we are laughing.

But they want jobs, I replied.

Oh that`s all right, they can do the new technology jobs. Like mucking about with ZX 81s and all that.