yet more mattress advice required !

Tim_Deegan

silverfoxuk wrote: »

Just an update.

The JL 'Pocket Ortho' range of mattresses (http://www.johnlewis.com/230436608/Product.aspx) is made by Hypnos. I have checked and it says 'Hypnos' on the mattress label. Different JL staff have also advised this.

Re 'revolution springs' - do you mean they 'double count' each spring column as it has two springs in it (ie a tall and short one)?

Wierdly JL say that their pocket sprungs by Hypnos can be turned and are double sided, but are marketed at 'No need to turn'. So now with pocket sprung mattress that is double sided (we checked in JL by turning a pocket ortho over and lying on it, yes is exactly same on both sides), JL prefer to market it as 'No need to turn'. This i assume they can appeal to the section of the market that think 'No need to turn' makes the bed 'better' constructed, and is a feature (rather than a saving for the manufacturer), and if a potential buyer like me says they are ideally looking for double sided, JL sales staff can say "it is double sided, so you can actually turn it if you want to"?!

Hypnos or not, they will be made to JL's spec. Any manufacturer can make a mattress to JL's spec, but they have just used Hypnos so that they can use their name, and they can charge more for it..

Yes the 'Revolution spring system is the spring within a spring system. And it is actually a completely useless gimmick.

As for 'no need to turn'. Any manufacturer can say that as yet another sales gimmick. The truth is that if you don't turn it then it won't last as long. It's actually common sense if you think about it.

mattdf65

Hi Sorry to jump straight in but I wonder if you good people have advice on slatted bases..I've done a search and seen that I may need to reduce the gap between slats.
The gap between my slatts is 65mm, it's a new bed and we have moved our old mattress on to it which is a sleepezee baroness. Our old bed frame had a solid wooden base and the Baroness felt firm on it, now the mattress feels complety different... soft (which is what it's supposed to be according to the label).
We are planning to replace the mattress and we were planning to get a pocket sprung one between 1400 and 2000 springs but will I need to add extra slatts? I would prefur not to mess with the bed if poss so what would happen to a mattress if placed on this type of base?

ruinen

ruinen wrote: »

Charlie, my seller was different to yours and doesn't seem as helpful. I emailed them a week ago and no reply yet. I've just chased them again, so hopefully I will get a response.

After two months of chasing the online store that I purchased my double LA ROMANTICA Charlotte, they have finally replaced it! Will have to hope this one lasts longer than 9 months.

jrs101

ruinen wrote: »

After two months of chasing the online store that I purchased my double LA ROMANTICA Charlotte, they have finally replaced it! Will have to hope this one lasts longer than 9 months.

What is the website that you purchased from and why did it take 2 months?

Are you saying you bought a LA ROMANTICA Charlotte originally and it only lasted 9 months!?

Jock42

sooo much information.... Tim, looks like you know what your talking about so i hope you dont mind if i ask your opinion on a mattress..

As ive only ever bought 1 mattress in my life i thought it would be a good idea to do some research. In doing so i stumbled upon your thread.

Im just looking for a bit of advice on which mattress to buy. I was looking into the Sleepeezee Imperial Mattress however it is pretty expensive. Im only looking at that mattress because i recently stayed at a cottage and had a decent sleep there so i checked the mattress out and it turned out to be the sleepezee one.

Is there any similar mattresses you could reccommend as i am at a loss with all the talk about springs etc....

i currently have a "sealy posturepedic ultra memory support mattress" which i believe is getting less supportive by the day.

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Cheers

Tim_Deegan

Jock42 wrote: »

sooo much information.... Tim, looks like you know what your talking about so i hope you dont mind if i ask your opinion on a mattress..

As ive only ever bought 1 mattress in my life i thought it would be a good idea to do some research. In doing so i stumbled upon your thread.

Im just looking for a bit of advice on which mattress to buy. I was looking into the Sleepeezee Imperial Mattress however it is pretty expensive. Im only looking at that mattress because i recently stayed at a cottage and had a decent sleep there so i checked the mattress out and it turned out to be the sleepezee one.

Is there any similar mattresses you could reccommend as i am at a loss with all the talk about springs etc....

i currently have a "sealy posturepedic ultra memory support mattress" which i believe is getting less supportive by the day.

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Cheers

I can't actually recommend anything on MSE, as that could be viewed as advertising.

However if I were you I would stay away from big brand names and big chain stores if you want good quality at a low price, and shop on line from a seller who gives a proper satisfaction guarantee that allows you to actually unpack and sleep on the mattress. This way it is in their interest to make sure that you make the right choice the first time.

Tim_Deegan

sleepcrusader wrote: »

I have been reading these threads with great amusement! You people who spend days and weeks hunting for a new bed are unbelieveable! Why can't you choose a retail park with a decent number of bed stores and just buy one that you like from one of the stores? You really aren't doing yourself any favours by visiting numerous stores and checking all the deatils over and over again! And as for checking with people on forums...the first rule of bed buying is always "Choose something that's comfy!" Ultimately the number of springs, layers of fillings, density of memory foam and various other knobs and whistles mean nothing if the bed ain't comfy! So take some advice from a seasoned bed seller; go to your nearest store, lie on some beds and buy the comfiest you can afford!

Because if you purchase from a retail park you pay way over the odds, and often get rubbish.

It's not just a case of a bed being comfy when brand new in a shop. You spend a third of your life in bed, and so you should make sure you buy a bed or mattress that gives good support, and will continue to do so long into the future.

Also trying a bed out in a shop for 10 mins, fully clothed, can only give you a very rough idea. And there is no way that you can get a true feeling for what the bed will feel like to sleep on for a few nights. Many of the big brands have designed their mattresses to be cheap to manufacture, but to feel very comfortable when new. However long term use is often another story. Pillow top mattresses are a prime example of this.

Tim_Deegan

sleepcrusader wrote: »

In mry opinion and experience, pillow top mattresses are the best way to go. I've had one for two years now and never experienced anything better.

I presume from your posts that you work, or worked for one of the big chain stores who like to promote gimmicks that push the price up, rather than quality and value for money?

The fact is that most pillow top mattresses contain loose fillings. These include hollow fibre in cheaper mattresses, and feathers in more expensive ones. With long term use these fillings become flattened or move about, which can create a hollow in the mattress. A pillow top is more or less like a quilt sewn onto a mattress. If it was a quilt you would give it a good shake to even the fillings out again. However you can't pick up and shake a mattress.

A pillow top mattress in almost all cases is non turn, which will mean that it won't last as long as a two sided mattress.

If you are in the trade then you should know all this, and shouldn't be trying to promote poor design mattresses. In my opinoin pillow top mattresses are one of the worst gimmicks on the market. They are designed to feel extremely comfortable when new, but many people are let down a few months down the line. In fact they are a prime example of sales tactics often employed in the bed industry by the big manufacturers and retailers.....to tell people that all a mattress needs to be is comfy (as you said in your previous post).

Tim_Deegan

sleepcrusader wrote: »

I take my job very seriously and firmly believe that the most important point to be considered when purchasing a bed is comfort. People look into the spec of beds far too much. I wonder why you bother selling beds when you seem to have such a dim view of the industry. I'm not much of a fan of the big brands myself and do get annoyed that they seem to charge for the name on the label rather than the product. I love to champion the smaller manufacturers as I feel they give better value for money, but at the same time I do believe that you can buy pillow top mattresses etc and get good quality! I don't work for any of the big boys, however I did work for the biggest boys in the trade for a while and I never took any notice of their incentives to upsell to their preffered lines. I always have and always will offer advice and the best piece I will give my customers is to choose whichever they think will give them the best night's kip!

Well if you know about beds and mattresses then you should know that the specification and the components in the mattress are more important than anything else when considering long term comfort, support, and reliability.

I have said before, and I will say it again. Many mattresses are manufactured to a low standard, but are made to be very comfortable when new. However this comfort doesn't last. A prime example of this is pillow top mattresses, which are the worst gimmick in the bed industry. In fact they are such a bad design feature that I refuse to sell them.

Nile

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