Weezl and friends Phase 2 -giving it a whirl for Shirl! Testing meal plan for a month

Cazzdevil

I'm terrible for bikini envy. I have no desire to wear a bikini, I'd just like to think I COULD get away with wearing one should the need arise. At 5ft 10, size 14 and about 12&half stone I'd hardly call myself a porker but my greatest skill is self deprecation so to me I'm disgustingly podgy.

*sigh*

SusanC_2

Sian_the_Green wrote: »

Aww, I have a feeling most of what she was saying was that she would like to be someone who looked good in a bikini and thought the only people who could wouldn't have thighs that rubbed together. I understand the 'envy of women with flat stomachs and thighs like a gazelle', I really do, because there are more people that love cake and are therefore rounded in various places than there are people who love cake and can look good in a bikini. There is a quote I like which says "life is short, eat more pancakes and fewer rice cakes", doesn't mean I wouldn't like to still look attractive though. Not the be all and end all but it is like looking at a woman with 3 kids who manages to wear linen uncreased and unstained, or someone who turns up at work with perfect hair dead on time having made a healthy smoothie to have at her desk, I do sometimes feel the envy for the people who seem to manage it all...

I do appreciate that - I just hate the way so many people seem to find it necessary to have digs at thin people in order to justify not being thin. You don't get newspaper articles with pictures of larger people saying how disgusting it is and that "thin is beautiful" but you do the other way round. There just always seems to be an implication that if someone is a certain thin-ness then it can't be natural and they must be starving themselves to be like that. And it only seems to apply to women - my brothers are all as thin as me but I've never seen anything published ever which implied that thin men were thin for any other reason that it being naturally how they were.

I do hope it doesn't sound like a criticism of you since you posted the link (and I'm sorry if it did) as it isn't and I did actually like the site overall and the "realness" of it - I just find it really infuriating that it's so socially acceptable to make that kind of comment about thin people as if we don't have feelings. I guess being bombarded by the media with propaganda that "big is beautiful" (not saying it isn't but the implication is therefore that thin is ugly), being thin enough for bones to stick out is digusting/abnormal/unatural etc. makes me more sensitive to these things.

</rant>

Allegra

SusanC wrote: »

You don't get newspaper articles with pictures of larger people saying how disgusting it is and that "thin is beautiful" but you do the other way round.

You don't ? I would not know because I do not read newspapers and magazines anymore - but I know that you used to - for so many years that if "big is beautiful" is happening now it is likely no more than the backlash against that. Of course, as these things go, any backlash is probably gonna end up as nasty as the original issue, because a moderate, sensible approach does not a good story make

In fact, the fashion and media slant towards thinness (I am thinking Jodie Kidd and heroin chic here - many moons ago now) used to be so bad that at its height size 8 models were regularly turned away from castings and told to lose (a lot of) weight before they dared darkened their door again. Majority ended up with an ED.

BTW, I used to think that it's weird if women had a gap between their thighs (Barbie legs, we used to call them) - simply because the only women I saw with that gap were seriously ill anorexic ones. It was only when a naturally thin friend explained that some naturally thin people do actually look like that that I realised that this is not always a side-effect of starvation So my position on it now is - if that's the way you look naturally (thin, gap between the thighs), then it's beautiful. If you do not naturally look that way, but starve yourself to achieve that look because you have got the impression that if you do not look that way that means you are fat, that is wrong.

Lesley_Gaye

Sian

first thoughts for your cherries would be a compote. My current fav breakfast is any fruit, slightly cooked, sweetened just a little bit and eaten with greek yog, and sometimes a spoon of raw oats, mostly no oats tho

or a smoothy. Made with soya milk, the extra protein in a large glass lasts me 'til lunch

or if you don't mind about the cals, a crumble made with equal qty's by weight of flour, sugar, rolled oats and oil

clafoutis are fab and very moreish

muffins would work well with cherries. I have used them in a victoria sponge type mix, sort of like glace cherries. It was yum

or you could cook them a little bitntil the juice runs and use them in a trifle. Cooked cherries, trifle sponge soaked in the cherry juice and a tiny bit of fruit liquer, custard, whipped cream, toasted almonds

yum yum

and that gooseberry cheesecake sounds delish

weezl74

hello,:)

Going completely off at a tangent from today's interesting body image discussions I now feel in a much clearer better position to fill everyone in about kitty, her delays and issues and what little tasks there may be floating around whereby one or two of you lovelies could really help launch her!

Tasks involve between now and saturday some looking at and general opinion giving on the test version of the new roll-out. (possible candidates: everyone!)

sat/sun/mon a bit more data collection and some checks (possible candidates: those who like googling and those who like playing with recipes)

sun/mon/tues/wed/thurs: feedback about typos and edits (possible candidates those who like detail!)

Susan, from facebook photos I know that you are very beautiful so I am disheartened that you have ever been given any different message how annoying!

My hope as amber rightly pointed out is that our message at CFR towers is all about being kind to all our bodies with food curvy, straight, short, tall, dark or blond, all are welcome and lovely (provided you eat the blinkin marrowfats, right )

SusanC_2

Allegra wrote: »

You don't ? I would not know because I do not read newspapers and magazines anymore - but I know that you used to - for so many years that if "big is beautiful" is happening now it is likely no more than the backlash against that. Of course, as these things go, any backlash is probably gonna end up as nasty as the original issue, because a moderate, sensible approach does not a good story make

Admittedly I'm only going on a small sampling and actual newspapers would mainly from when I first started reading the newspaper (around 1989) to 1998 but I very clearly remember when I was in late primary school reading an article in my parent's newspaper (which is a regional and not that sensationalist newspaper) which showed a picture of a model in a beachwear advertising campaign with discussion about how digusting it was and how terrible it was etc. etc. to use someone who was thin enough for her ribs to show. They said things along the lines of how horrible and disgusting it looked and how it was unatural for anyone to be that thin. (I specifically remember it because my ribs showed just as much.) Maybe by the time I was aware of things the backlash had already started.

Allegra wrote: »

In fact, the fashion and media slant towards thinness (I am thinking Jodie Kidd and heroin chic here - many moons ago now) used to be so bad that at its height size 8 models were regularly turned away from castings and told to lose (a lot of) weight before they dared darkened their door again. Majority ended up with an ED.

I'm sure that in the very narrow world of fashion and celebrity it is considered "good" to be very thin regardless of whether it is detrimental to the individuals health and maybe I just read the wrong things but whenever I come across articles about these people or the fashion industry in general it is always portraying being thin as a negative thing. An example (which is probably from about ten years ago now) would be various articles exclaiming on how thin Victoria Beckham had become and in particular focussing on the fact that her collarbones showed. Apparently if a person's collar bones are sticking out that much they look disgusting and must be staring themselves. The concern about her may well have been genuine and justified (I don't know) but the way things were worded implied that anyone with collarbones sticking out that far looked disgusting. I think it's possible for concern to be expressed about an individuals weightloss without implying that anyone who looks like that looks disgusting regardless of whether it is their natural shape.

Allegra wrote: »

BTW, I used to think that it's weird if women had a gap between their thighs (Barbie legs, we used to call them) - simply because the only women I saw with that gap were seriously ill anorexic ones. It was only when a naturally thin friend explained that some naturally thin people do actually look like that that I realised that this is not always a side-effect of starvation So my position on it now is - if that's the way you look naturally (thin, gap between the thighs), then it's beautiful. If you do not naturally look that way, but starve yourself to achieve that look because you have got the impression that if you do not look that way that means you are fat, that is wrong.

I think it's one thing to think it's weird though and another thing to go round telling the people concerned that you think it of them. Even if someone did have a gap only because they were starving themself I don't think saying it's weird would help. To be honest I'm really puzzled as to why people even pay attention to whether people's thighs meet - I'm only even aware of my own because I check when it comes up in conversation. And it's such a crazy measurement - mine don't meet because my knees stick out further but if I had smaller knee bones they might.

But I am glad you changed your view.

ETA: Excuse the typos - I'm too lazy to go bcak and correct them all.

mangojoesno1fan

Hiya,

You can put me down for some proof reading and some recipe trials if you should need them.

BTW, I had a very interesting discussion with my youngest SIL at the weekend, (he knows everything!) and he has told me that it is not healthy to have a meat free diet as there are several amino acids that are essential for healthy life, and they are only available in meat. I asked him to name them and he suggested I did the research......cheeky g?t.
Anyway, maybe I am looking in the wrong places, but can't find anything to help either for or against,

anyone out there who can advise?

(I'd love to prove him wrong)

weezl74

mangojoesno1fan wrote: »

Hiya,

You can put me down for some proof reading and some recipe trials if you should need them.

BTW, I had a very interesting discussion with my youngest SIL at the weekend, (he knows everything!) and he has told me that it is not healthy to have a meat free diet as there are several amino acids that are essential for healthy life, and they are only available in meat. I asked him to name them and he suggested I did the research......cheeky g?t.
Anyway, maybe I am looking in the wrong places, but can't find anything to help either for or against,

anyone out there who can advise?

(I'd love to prove him wrong)

Hi mango Joe thanks for the offer of help YAY! :beer:

re amino acids,

I'm sure twink and murrell would be able to give a much better response but here's what I know:

amino acids are required daily by the body and are a building block of proteins.

They are found in their complete form in animal sources (here I agree with your SIL!)

But many combinations of vegetable proteins can be combined easily in our bodies to produce the essential amino acids:

ie rice+peas = complete amino acid profile
pulses+wheat = complete amino acid profile

etc etc.

I will give you a few linkies when I've cleared a few big tasks

weezl74

Essential Nonessential Isoleucine Alanine Leucine Asparagine Lysine Aspartic Acid Methionine Cysteine* Phenylalanine Glutamic Acid Threonine Glutamine* Tryptophan Glycine* Valine Proline*
Selenocysteine*
Serine*
Tyrosine*
Arginine*
Histidine*
Ornithine*
Taurine*



from wikipedia amino acids article

mangojoesno1fan

Weezl,

Thanx so much for that! I have tried to do my own homework but I have struggled and don't wish to argue and then fall flat on my face, if you get my drift.
Thanx again:j