Flexible new deal stages and signing off to reclaim

donnajunkie

AnxiousMum wrote: »

Sorry - you are receiving state funds, therefore work placements should NOT be voluntary, and if you wanted to leave, you should be cut off of the benefits system - just as any employed person who refused to do their job would be sacked and not paid a salary! The idea of JSA is to get you back into work - do you have any idea how many people are stuck in jobs that they would love to change, but unfortunately, if they voluntarily walk out of them, they are without a paycheque and unable to provide for their families.

Why should a working person be stuck doing something they don't enjoy, but hey it pays the bills for now, yet you want those on JSA to have options as to what they choose to do and don't do in order to keep receiving their state funded money?

theres is a big difference between someone in paid employment and someone on jsa working for their benefit. the person in paid employment is getting a proper wage. you talk like being on jsa is the same as being employed. jsa exists to help people survive who are without work while they search for work. it is not payment for work. the purpose of jsa isnt to provide unscrupulous bosses with free labour.

donnajunkie

dookar wrote: »

Please don't assume you know my intentions. I am not intentionally rude, I had no idea what the poster meant.

Now that I do understand, I'm unsure how to respond. Are they suggesting civil servants don't pay tax?

Are they suggesting benefit claimants don't pay tax?

ok, but it did give that impression to me as i thought there was no need to say aything about their grammar. i also thought it was very easy to understand what they were saying. you could have just said something like i'm not sure what you are trying to say.
to answer your question yes they all pay tax but their tax has come from tax and not from generated profit.

donnajunkie

decodelight wrote: »

The 38 out of 1000 that got back in to work were probably the only people in that thousand that were willing to work. If you've been unemployed for a year there is a good reason! And in my opinion if you want the benefits you need to follow the regime - like it or not. I want my wages at the end of the month so unfortunately i have to go in to work everyday. Much as i would like to stay in bed. If i didn't like a particular part of my job i couldnt just quit, then expect to go back once the bad bit has passed.

are you really saying you think over 99.6% of people on courses are all layabouts? do you really think people who become long term unemployed do so because they dont want to work?

yet again you are another person who thinks being on an unemployment benefit is the same as being employed by a company.

AnxiousMum

donnajunkie wrote: »

theres is a big difference between someone in paid employment and someone on jsa working for their benefit. the person in paid employment is getting a proper wage. you talk like being on jsa is the same as being employed. jsa exists to help people survive who are without work while they search for work. it is not payment for work. the purpose of jsa isnt to provide unscrupulous bosses with free labour.

Yes there is a big difference. Those on wages are earning them. Those on JSA are being provided it as well as other help to get them training, experience etc. to get a job where they too can go and earn their own wage. I guess there are some who want to turn down that help offered, but still get their JSA given to them anyway. hey ho

donnajunkie

AnxiousMum wrote: »

Yes there is a big difference. Those on wages are earning them. Those on JSA are being provided it as well as other help to get them training, experience etc. to get a job where they too can go and earn their own wage. I guess there are some who want to turn down that help offered, but still get their JSA given to them anyway. hey ho

you do miss the point that jsa is a benefit and not a wage and therefore isnt something that you should be expected to earn. you also dont realise that in the majority of cases people get used on their work placements. that is not the only reason why it is flawed. employers also start to lay off their regular staff and replace them with the free labour they get from new deal. that means more people out of work. in an ideal world it would be great to be able to do a few weeks and then get taken on and it does happen for some but not many.
people dont want to turn down help. they just dont want to be treated the way people are on these courses. they want something that truly is help.

Vader123

donnajunkie wrote: »

you do miss the point that jsa is a benefit and not a wage and therefore isnt something that you should be expected to earn.

See thats where most of the tax payers disagree.

You want handouts from the state? Then you should earn it.

No-one is suggesting you should have to do New Deal from day 1. But if you are still unemployed after 12 months, you are doing something wrong.

Still want the benefit then you should have to work for it.

New deal is your future if you are still out of work for 12 months.

Vader

MissMoneypenny

Vader123 wrote: »

See thats where most of the tax payers disagree.

You want handouts from the state? Then you should earn it.

Surely that would upset those too "sick" to work and those who would rather have state handouts (tax credits) to keep their children?

mummytotwo_3

Vader - you are missing the point somewhat i think, my husband has been unemployed for almost 12 months, I can ASSURE you he is DOING NOTHING WRONG. He wants to work, he is a heavy plant machine operator by trade, but is willing to do anything. He applies for approx 7-10 jobs a week, he either does not have the required experience or is over qualified for simple labouring jobs, just because he has licences for various machines!!!! For example he went for an interview for a van driver this week, he was turned down just because he wasnt experienced in that line of work, even though the ad clearly stated no experience necessary.
Agencys are regularly advertising work, he calls, they say come in and register, they then say, position filled, we will keep your name on file and contact you - so it was purely getting names on the books more than anything. Its soo frustrating when people say you are doing something wrong just because its been a while finding work.
Alot of companies here are only advertising their positions for two days then doing walk in interviews between arranged times, so if you miss it you lose out.

HOW DARE ANYONE SAY THAT YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE OVER FIND IT AND THUS MAKING IT HARD FOR GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT TO BE SOUGHT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE TOLD YOU ARE OVERQUALIFIED!!!. THAT COMMENT THROUGHLY ANNOYS ME, ESPECIALLY AS I HAVE NEVER UNTIL NOW HAD TO RELY ON THE STATE, I HATE IT. I AND MY HUSBAND HAVE WORKED SINCE WE TURNED SIXTEEN HAVE PAID OUR NI ALL OUR WORKING LIFE.

Vader123

mummytotwo wrote: »

Vader - you are missing the point somewhat i think, my husband has been unemployed for almost 12 months, I can ASSURE you he is DOING NOTHING WRONG.E.

He is doing something wrong

He has a poor CV / application style.
The type of work he is trying to obtain is too narrow.
He is not trying hard enough.
Too high expectations.
Excluded certain jobs.

Or a combination of all.

There are jobs out there. People are getting them, your husband isn't. Hence he is doing something wrong.

Alot of companies here are only advertising their positions for two days then doing walk in interviews between arranged times, so if you miss it you lose out.

So why is he missing out? What else is he doing with his time? Why can't he be the one to get it.

He is doing something wrong and the government agrees, hence no deal.

Surely that would upset those too "sick" to work and those who would rather have state handouts (tax credits) to keep their children?

MissMoneyPenny, I was referring to people who are not ill and can't find a job on their own for 12 months.

Vader

donnajunkie

Vader123 wrote: »

See thats where most of the tax payers disagree.

You want handouts from the state? Then you should earn it.

No-one is suggesting you should have to do New Deal from day 1. But if you are still unemployed after 12 months, you are doing something wrong.

Still want the benefit then you should have to work for it.

New deal is your future if you are still out of work for 12 months.

Vader

yes things like new deal are inevitable and if you are unemployed you are always going to have to do things like it. we all agree that is the situation.

whats child benefit now? £20? thats about a third of jsa. so if someone on jsa has to work something like 30 hours a week for their money then those who get child benefit should have to work another 10 hours on top of their normal job doing something like sweeping the streets as well. well going by your logic its only fair. if people on jsa have to earn their benefit then all other people who are physically capable should have to earn any benefit they get as well.