Flexible new deal stages and signing off to reclaim

donnajunkie

Vader123 wrote: »

(And shame on you donnajunkie for reccing the post).

in my experience alot of the people who work on these schemes deserve alot of the insults they get.

AnxiousMum

If you're not prepared to fulfil the commitment of the deal, then you shouldn't be getting any of it! Sorry - you've been out of work for a year and unsuccessful in finding a new job - I think you should grab all the help they are prepared to give you, not just the money.

speedfreek1000

AnxiousMum wrote: »

If you're not prepared to fulfil the commitment of the deal, then you shouldn't be getting any of it! Sorry - you've been out of work for a year and unsuccessful in finding a new job - I think you should grab all the help they are prepared to give you, not just the money.

Have you done any research on just what exactly the "Flexible New Deal" is or how it works or even how successful it is?

Let alone the fact that they can ask for variable sanctions for up to 26 weeks for whatever they chose/deem worthy off. Which is automatically granted by a DWP decision maker and once benefit has stopped appealed :mad: Bullying for profit :mad::mad::mad:

Well at least when the books are cooked all the decent JCP staff will lose all their fancy perks like having a job whilst their managers get big bucks from the providers as it's privatised :kisses3:

Before anybody grabs their handbag Although JCP ain't perfect 99.9% of the front line work force I've met are :j Unfortunately when a company is driven by profit we will lose them :mad:

FND is a perception over reality political concept because that's the way it was they was young :rotfl:

Example my family perceives that by going to University it improves my chances of getting a job.

In reality because so many other people are now going and there has always been a static finite pool of top graduate jobs (the ones my granny would be proud off), with the glut of graduates In order to stack shelves at a supermarket I am now fighting 100 other grads and am £22 grand in debt for the privilege :rotfl:

donnajunkie

speedfreek1000 wrote: »

Have you done any research on just what exactly the "Flexible New Deal" is or how it works or even how successful it is?

Let alone the fact that they can ask for variable sanctions for up to 26 weeks for whatever they chose/deem worthy off. Which is automatically granted by a DWP decision maker and once benefit has stopped appealed :mad: Bullying for profit :mad::mad::mad:

in my induction on thursday. they claimed it was starting to be successful. they said last month they got 38 people into work. of course the true picture was obvious later on when they said they have a 1000 people on their books. so 38 out of 1000 is good according to them.
when i had my getting to know you meeting with my advisor the following happened. she said to the person at the next desk. that person didnt turn up last week. the person replied by saying they had a bereavement. my advisors reaction was oh well i've already sanctioned him. she then carried on with what she was doing with me. she didnt care at all.

sunnyone

donnajunkie wrote: »

in my induction on thursday. they claimed it was starting to be successful. they said last month they got 38 people into work. of course the true picture was obvious later on when they said they have a 1000 people on their books. so 38 out of 1000 is good according to them.
when i had my getting to know you meeting with my advisor the following happened. she said to the person at the next desk. that person didnt turn up last week. the person replied by saying they had a bereavement. my advisors reaction was oh well i've already sanctioned him. she then carried on with what she was doing with me. she didnt care at all.

Thats 38 people who arnt now on the dole.

donnajunkie

sunnyone wrote: »

Thats 38 people who arnt now on the dole.

yes it is great they got jobs. its not a good figure though is it? if the finances of it all were looked at would it be value for money for the tax payer? you also need to ask how many of them got a job thanks to the course and how many just happened to be on the course when they got the job.

sunnyone

donnajunkie wrote: »

yes it is great they got jobs. its not a good figure though is it? if the finances of it all were looked at would it be value for money for the tax payer? you also need to ask how many of them got a job thanks to the course and how many just happened to be on the course when they got the job.

You and loads of other just dont want to earn your JSA after not being able to secure employment yourselves, that 38 more than could get themselves work in 12 months of trying.

donnajunkie

sunnyone wrote: »

You and loads of other just dont want to earn your JSA after not being able to secure employment yourselves, that 38 more than could get themselves work in 12 months of trying.

it may just have timed that way. how many people who are on work placements would find a job if they werent on placement? anyway it doesnt change the fact that 38 out of 1000 is very poor.
edit.
the main issue people have with these courses is the gestapo mentality they have. its all bossing people around and threatening them with homelessness. providing jobsearch facilities and advice on things like how to make your cv better is what people need. the work placements should be totally voluntary and people should be able to leave them whenever they wish if they arent happy.

john539

coupes wrote: »

Can anyone please help clarify the stages for FND. As i understand it:

If i were to sign off now before i reach Stage 4 how long would i need to wait to make a rapid reclaim? I have asked someone i know and they told me its 13 weeks i have to wait. Whereas someone on here the other day mentioned 26 weeks. But i cant find that thread at the moment.

It's probably 13 weeks to count as a new claim, not rapid reclaim.

Good for them if they want to sign off & support themselves.

AnxiousMum

donnajunkie wrote: »

it may just have timed that way. how many people who are on work placements would find a job if they werent on placement? anyway it doesnt change the fact that 38 out of 1000 is very poor.
edit.
the main issue people have with these courses is the gestapo mentality they have. its all bossing people around and threatening them with homelessness. providing jobsearch facilities and advice on things like how to make your cv better is what people need. the work placements should be totally voluntary and people should be able to leave them whenever they wish if they arent happy.

Sorry - you are receiving state funds, therefore work placements should NOT be voluntary, and if you wanted to leave, you should be cut off of the benefits system - just as any employed person who refused to do their job would be sacked and not paid a salary! The idea of JSA is to get you back into work - do you have any idea how many people are stuck in jobs that they would love to change, but unfortunately, if they voluntarily walk out of them, they are without a paycheque and unable to provide for their families.

Why should a working person be stuck doing something they don't enjoy, but hey it pays the bills for now, yet you want those on JSA to have options as to what they choose to do and don't do in order to keep receiving their state funded money?