Flexible new deal stages and signing off to reclaim

coupes

Can anyone please help clarify the stages for FND. As i understand it:
Stage 1 is from First Signing On to Week 13
Stage 2 is from Week 13 to Week 26
Stage 3 is from Week 26 to Week 52
Stage 4 is from Week 52 onwards with a provider lasting up to a further 52 weeks?

Is all of the above correct? I am coming up to week 52 in May. If i were to sign off now before i reach Stage 4 how long would i need to wait to make a rapid reclaim? I have asked someone i know and they told me its 13 weeks i have to wait. Whereas someone on here the other day mentioned 26 weeks. But i cant find that thread at the moment.

I dont want to do Stage 4 and be forced to visit a 'provider' because it will be pointless. I already do my own jobsearch and have access to all the facilities. I keep a jobsearch diary and have copies of my applications as evidence. thanks

oldmotherreilly

I'm sorry OP but I believe that no one on this board should answer this question (although I know someone will). I try not to express personal opinion on these boards but I always wonder when somone posts this question why, if you are able to support yourself for x amount of time to avoid DWP courses, you cannot support yourself all the time rather than claiming JSA at all?

healy

oldmotherreilly wrote: »

I'm sorry OP but I believe that no one on this board should answer this question (although I know someone will). I try not to express personal opinion on these boards but I always wonder when somone posts this question why, if you are able to support yourself for x amount of time to avoid DWP courses, you cannot support yourself all the time rather than claiming JSA at all?

Yes I agree it does set the alarm bells ringing and even if we do not answer it, it is easy enough to find the answer elsewhere.

coupes

Hi, i cant actually support myself long term if i sign off. But im hoping if its just a few weeks i would cope by using my overdraft and borrowing some money from a friend. I would still be looking for work if i signed off. I would even go as far as to say i welcome the DWP to check my bank statements if they had any suspicions about my claim. I am an open and honest person and would not deceive them.

The only reason to sign off is as a last resort to avoid Stage 4 and visiting the provider. If i could do this without signing off i would take that route. To be honest, i dont need to sit there like a dummy at the A4E offices pretending to learn something. Ive done a similar course before and it was absolutely rubbish.

Vader123

If you want the state to intervene in your life and pay you an income, you have to jump through the states hoops to get the money.

You have been left to find a job for nearly a year. Its not working, so you need more help.

If you are going to sign off to avoid new deal, then you don't need state intervention.

Sorry, but it all sounds workshy. Is anyone keeping score on here anymore?

Vader

busy_mom_2

I agree with the others the answer is simple one but why shoild you get the benefit. JSA is for people who are looking for work and making attempts to find work.
Tax payers are supporting you you should be prepared to repay what you have been handed.

donnajunkie

coupes wrote: »

Can anyone please help clarify the stages for FND. As i understand it:
Stage 1 is from First Signing On to Week 13
Stage 2 is from Week 13 to Week 26
Stage 3 is from Week 26 to Week 52
Stage 4 is from Week 52 onwards with a provider lasting up to a further 52 weeks?

Is all of the above correct? I am coming up to week 52 in May. If i were to sign off now before i reach Stage 4 how long would i need to wait to make a rapid reclaim? I have asked someone i know and they told me its 13 weeks i have to wait. Whereas someone on here the other day mentioned 26 weeks. But i cant find that thread at the moment.

I dont want to do Stage 4 and be forced to visit a 'provider' because it will be pointless. I already do my own jobsearch and have access to all the facilities. I keep a jobsearch diary and have copies of my applications as evidence. thanks

your info regarding stages is correct. regarding stage 4 and flexible new deal. you may as well do it unless you want to try and get by without any jsa and also not get your ni paid for you. i am sure i have read somewhere about how they can fast track people if they think it is necessary. so i suspect those who do sign off for a time to try and avoid it are the ones that get fast tracked. the course is only part time and the work placement is a minimum of 4 weeks.
i do sympathise, i have just started fnd myself. unfortunately the government have to be seen to be giving the unemployed a hard time to keep getting the middle class vote.

donnajunkie

coupes wrote: »

Hi, i cant actually support myself long term if i sign off. But im hoping if its just a few weeks i would cope by using my overdraft and borrowing some money from a friend. I would still be looking for work if i signed off. I would even go as far as to say i welcome the DWP to check my bank statements if they had any suspicions about my claim. I am an open and honest person and would not deceive them.

The only reason to sign off is as a last resort to avoid Stage 4 and visiting the provider. If i could do this without signing off i would take that route. To be honest, i dont need to sit there like a dummy at the A4E offices pretending to learn something. Ive done a similar course before and it was absolutely rubbish.

unfortunately there are many people here who see people who dont want to do rubbish courses as lazy. i have tried on occasion to remind people that just because someone doesnt want to do a daft course it doesnt automatically mean they dont want to work. it seems to always go in one ear and out the other.

speedfreek1000

Just to add to donnajunkie post

Read this before you decide what to do http://www.cvsfife.org/employability/jcplus_progress.pdf

It's for Scotland but I'd expect England to be the same - namely this bit

Anyone still on JSA after 12 months and having gone through stages 1, 2 and/or 3 will enter the Flexible New Deal, which will be delivered by providers. Customers we identify with a recent history of claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance can be accelerated to Stage 3 - supported job search from the very start of their claim to JSA.

Also this is from another source

How long will Flexible New Deal last?

Answer:
Flexible New Deal stage 4 (provider led stage) lasts for 12 months. There is an optional 6 month extension extending this to 18 months.

Source: Flexible New Deal Provider Guidance – Section 01 – An Introduction to the Flexible New Deal, p.4 para 1.28

The Flexible New Deal

1.28. The Flexible New Deal, spans month 13 to month 24/ 30 of the customer’s JSA claim (or month seven to 18/24 for those fast-tracked).

If you are under 25 you can be referred straight back to the FND provider as soon as you sign on again. So could have a new appointment with in 2 weeks.

donnajunkie

Vader123 wrote: »

If you want the state to intervene in your life and pay you an income, you have to jump through the states hoops to get the money.

You have been left to find a job for nearly a year. Its not working, so you need more help.

If you are going to sign off to avoid new deal, then you don't need state intervention.

Sorry, but it all sounds workshy. Is anyone keeping score on here anymore?

Vader

you are correct that people have to jump through hoops. you are correct that people need help. you are correct if you say alot of people who dont want to do these courses may well be workshy.
however these courses rarely help people and not everyone who doesnt want to do them is work shy. as they havent said they dont want a job we cant make that assumption.

donnajunkie

busy_mom wrote: »

I agree with the others the answer is simple one but why shoild you get the benefit. JSA is for people who are looking for work and making attempts to find work.
Tax payers are supporting you you should be prepared to repay what you have been handed.

not once did they say they are not looking for work. it is possible to not be on one of these courses and still be looking for work believe it or not.