Flexible new deal stages and signing off to reclaim

john539

AnxiousMum wrote: »

Sorry - you are receiving state funds, therefore work placements should NOT be voluntary, and if you wanted to leave, you should be cut off of the benefits system - just as any employed person who refused to do their job would be sacked and not paid a salary! The idea of JSA is to get you back into work - do you have any idea how many people are stuck in jobs that they would love to change, but unfortunately, if they voluntarily walk out of them, they are without a paycheque and unable to provide for their families.

Why should a working person be stuck doing something they don't enjoy, but hey it pays the bills for now, yet you want those on JSA to have options as to what they choose to do and don't do in order to keep receiving their state funded money?

It's not as simple as that !

There are all sorts of issues with employers & flexible new deal providers exploiting the system & cheap labour to make money in chirade revolving door so called jobs & training.

And, this isn't Discussion Time.

Arg

Vader123 wrote: »

No more help from me and can I suggest to others that they follow suit.

At least those "inbred cretins" have a job, which is more than what you have.

(And shame on you donnajunkie for reccing the post).

Good luck OP , your going to need it.

Vader

Don't be so childish, not that your post in this thread was very helpful.

ps, They only have those jobs by virtue of being given them by a government scheme,which can also be considered a drain on public money, not that it makes them any better than those that are unemployed.

MissMoneypenny

sunnyone wrote: »

You and loads of other just dont want to earn your JSA after not being able to secure employment yourselves, that 38 more than could get themselves work in 12 months of trying.

The benefit that costs the country the most, is tax credits.The JSA annual bill is a drop in the ocean compared to the 24 billion per year we are spending on tax credits because people don't want to work the hours to keep their own family.

dookar

atomic wrote: »

What I'm saying is the tax payers support those on benefits as well as DWP, JSP staff etc. Both of them spend money that has been made by someone else, e.g. businesses.

donnajunkie wrote: »

i understood what you were saying. they were just having a dig at your grammar because they didnt like what you were saying.

Please don't assume you know my intentions. I am not intentionally rude, I had no idea what the poster meant.

Now that I do understand, I'm unsure how to respond. Are they suggesting civil servants don't pay tax?

Are they suggesting benefit claimants don't pay tax?

property.advert

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

The benefit that costs the country the most, is tax credits.The JSA annual bill is a drop in the ocean compared to the 24 billion per year we are spending on tax credits because people don't want to work the hours to keep their own family.

Very true.

I was astounded by the amount of money they gave to people with a child. If you are single, they give you about £65 a week and if you have a child, they give you about another £75 a week.

Now it isn't really possible to live long term on £65 a week, it just isn't but it is easy for many to live on £140 a week forever. I think many of these would never have £140 after all work associated costs anyway.

Then as you say, working just over the 16 hours for a few pounds means you can keep all the other benefits. Go to http://www.turn2us.entitledto.co.uk/entitlementcalculator.aspx and you can see for yourself. The incentives to work full time are not there. I could not believe all the benefits available.

I think I'll sign up for 18 hours at £100 a week and get the lot claimed !

decodelight

The 38 out of 1000 that got back in to work were probably the only people in that thousand that were willing to work. If you've been unemployed for a year there is a good reason! And in my opinion if you want the benefits you need to follow the regime - like it or not. I want my wages at the end of the month so unfortunately i have to go in to work everyday. Much as i would like to stay in bed. If i didn't like a particular part of my job i couldnt just quit, then expect to go back once the bad bit has passed.

MissMoneypenny

decodelight wrote: »

The 38 out of 1000 that got back in to work were probably the only people in that thousand that were willing to work.

If they really didn't want to work, they could claim they were too ill to work because of their bad back/stress/depression. Or have a child and get tax credits for years.

mummytotwo_3

I have been reading this with great interest as my hubby is claiming income based jsa, and is approaching fnd in may. He is not too keen on the idea of this fnd either, why? certainly because he is not workshy and neither I am. Both myself and husband have worked since we were both 16, I even worked my way and paid my own way through uni and still came out with a law degree, which in the current jobs climate i may as well not have. My husband by trade works on building sites with heavy plant machinery - no good asking him to do an office job, he just cant. It is because they are trying to teach you how to suck eggs in a word on these fnd. For example he has a perfectly adeqaute cv, covering letter etc. Yet they want him to learn how to compile them? come on.

I went back to work myself in December 10 hours a week, making our income based jsa lower, but still leaving us £45.00 a month better off, I did not have to do this as im non signing due to my two kids 2 and 1, and moderate post natal depression. We had even discussed the possibility of me returning to work full time and my husband staying at him looking after the kids, however, that is not possible as im 4 months pregnant.

My husband looks everyday at the jobcentre plus website for the latest jobs and applies for them - along with the other 100-200 applicants per job, he checks the local newspaper twice a week - where the jobs section has gone from 4 pages to half a page, he job speculates with local employers asks friends and family who are employed if they know of any vacancies etc. He is prepared to do almost any job you care to mention (except office - as he is just no good in that environment) cleaning, anything but as yet has been unsuccesful.

How some people that come on here can say those who have been unemployed for 12 months are workshy is just beyond me - its difficult to get a job these days especially with the increased competition. I agree there are those who do not want to work, but dont judge everyone the same.

Mr_Falling_Star

The gap between signing off and signing back on has to be more than 26 weeks if you want to avoid going on stage 4

donnajunkie

sunnyone wrote: »

You and loads of other just dont want to earn your JSA after not being able to secure employment yourselves,

i cant have read this correctly last night.
people dont want to have to earn their jsa? too right! its not a wage, its wages that have to be earnt not benefits, if it was a wage it would be at least £5.80 per hour with working tax credit on top of that.