Flexible new deal stages and signing off to reclaim

laser

Did anybody take note of the Conservative manifesto coverage on the news this morning. Apparently if they get in there's going to be a 2 year pay freeze for public sector workers earning more than £18K!!.... I wonder how Dave and Sam Cam would get on with an income of £18K/yr and no prospect of an increase for 2 years?

I'm a floating voter' not strictly labour, conservative or anything else, but I have to say, I think the tories have cut their throats with that one... A direct shot at a good section of the middle income families which they claim to be supporting. I guess this would include teachers, lecturers, nurses, police, fireman perhaps even our armed forces!?!.

speedfreek1000

Maybe we should also consider the newly released plans currently being implemented for Job Seekers under our illustrious ruling party :T

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/building-bridges-to-work.pdf

Some interesting reading :eek:

I'm not backing one or the other but doubt these measures will be repealed.

laser

Haven't read it yet but no doubt it will be more of the basic skills crap,
low skill job placements on derisory salaries (if anything!) and totally disjointed with any effort regional government are trying to make to improve on the UK national scheme.

donnajunkie

speedfreek1000 wrote: »

:eek:

DO NOT USE YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ACCOUNTS FOR THESE THINGS

Set up a separate brand new 'throw away' email address (hotmail and gmail are free) especially for this and this alone. Also use a completely different password for it.

1, if they want to look they can
2, easy to find anything FND ask for or you need to show
3, the rest of your life is now separate

Lastly since you are using a shared PCs always make sure you uncheck any remember me boxes for user name / email address / password.

thanks. i changed my password as soon as i got home. she had another victim straight aftrer me so i feel pretty sure i will have managed to change the password before she could do anything.

donnajunkie

Parva wrote: »

This is simply not the case in West Yorkshire and probably many other areas that are on the 'old new deal'. I've been on it (I was 41 at the time) and my friend is now also booked onto it (he's 43). The ages of people on the course ranged from 18 to 60, quite literally and yes, it was the 'Gateway to work' course. I really don't mean to sound like I'm on your case about this donnajunkie but I can state this as absolute fact, certainly for Leeds.

i know you arent having a go at me.
i can only assume things are done differently in different areas. of course we now have flexible new deal here.

donnajunkie

tsimehC wrote: »

It's almost as if you're going through similar experiences to mine. Although I was on the old New Deal, my adviser told me to do the same. She rang up an agency and passed the phone over to me to speak to that who then asked me to email my CV to them. Fun times to be had, I feel for you but at least you still have your sanity. This time around I won't be on the receiving end at least.

i am curious what you mean when you say this time around you wont be on the recieving end? are you going to go equipped with a sledgehammer?

donnajunkie

coupes wrote: »

Not entirely sure about this but i think when you reach Stage 4 they may be able to fit the FND course around your hours of work. So if you worked less than 16 hours per week, they may ask you to attend half a day each week or maybe two half days with the provider. As far as im aware the only way to avoid FND for definite is to stop signing. But for how long is unclear at the moment.

one good thing is i think if you are doing part time work, that can count as your 4 weeks work placement as over the 12 months you will have done 4 weeks worth of hours. you will just have to do your fortnightly appointments and any other short course they think you should do.

donnajunkie

speedfreek1000 wrote: »

Maybe we should also consider the newly released plans currently being implemented for Job Seekers under our illustrious ruling party :T

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/building-bridges-to-work.pdf

Some interesting reading :eek:

I'm not backing one or the other but doubt these measures will be repealed.

i noticed how it said they will work with local authorities. in plain english i guess that means councils will use free labour to keep the council tax down. it will also help fill the gap when they make thousands of council workers redundant to save money. lets hope the unions get wise to this and organise a strike.

Jowo_2

donnajunkie wrote: »

i noticed how it said they will work with local authorities. in plain english i guess that means councils will use free labour to keep the council tax down. it will also help fill the gap when they make thousands of council workers redundant to save money. lets hope the unions get wise to this and organise a strike.

I read the link provided. If I've read it correctly, after 2 full years of unemployment, there is an obligation for the long-term unemployed to undertake 13 weeks work experience? So its fairly brief work experience for the few that remain unemployed for that long duration and I can't really see how it its going to impact council tax bills or council worker redundancy. Am I missing something or misreading this?

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/building-bridges-to-work.pdf

MissMoneypenny

laser wrote: »

I'm a floating voter' not strictly labour, conservative or anything else, but I have to say, I think the tories have cut their throats with that one... A direct shot at a good section of the middle income families which they claim to be supporting. I guess this would include teachers, lecturers, nurses, police, fireman perhaps even our armed forces!?!.

I think we now have to face facts and realise there are going to have to be some massive cuts in public spending after the election, from whatever party gets in. The borrowing in good years from this present government is a huge weight around this UKs neck. Last year alone, this government borrowed over 160billion, while also paying nearly 50 billion in interest on monies they borrowed in previous years. They have also devalued the pound by printing off money to buy their own government bonds, as the UK is now a high risk for overseas investors. Any money loaned to us by these investors, will have to be paid for by the tax payers at an interest rate that reflects that high risk

It's not just the professions you have named that are paid from taxpayers money, but the thousands of new office jobs in the state sector, created in just the last few years. State workers don’t create wealth for the country and are paid from the public purse. Raising taxes will barely cover the interest on the money this government borrowed, so cuts are going to have to be made in public spending regardless of how people vote. Would you rather there were massive state jobs losses, or a freeze on pay rises: or maybe some benefits cut right out, or a time limit on claiming any benefits?

Labour has tried to keep the “feel good” factor until the election, but basically, the UK is stuffed. The good years are over and now we all have to pay for their mistakes, as will our children.