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Flexible new deal stages and signing off to reclaim
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i had my second appointment this morning and i'm glad its over. she made me apply for a job at a company located somewhere i cant get to for the 7.30am start time. she made me phone them up and stood over me while i did it. they asked me to email my cv. she said we will just send it from your email address on my computer here...now. she intially was expecting me to give here my password to log into it for me. i said i dont want to give you my password. she laughed and said what do you think i'm going to do. she gave in and let me type it in myself. when i got home i changed my password just incase she watched me type it in.
i was a bit scared she would click on my inbox and see email notifications for threads like this one and the government scheme joke thread. i dont think she would have been very impressed. luckily she left me to take it to new email before she took over to type the bull*** and attach the cv.0 -
MissMoneypenny wrote: »When you put it that way, it does seem a very strange system. Why should some benefit claiments have to work for less than the minimum wage for their benefits while others don't have to work for their benefits at all. Yes, child benefits and tax credits are benefits too.
Perhpas it's time that everyone has to work for their benefits, even if it is filling envelopes at home? Althought I still think that job seekers should get the first six months without working as they need to be putting their time into searching for work. After that, they join every other benefit claiment and do some sort of work. Those who claim the most money in benefits, would have to work the longest hours. If the government is saying it is ok for them to pay less than the minimum wage, then that would soon encourage people off benefits and into work.
i think you touch on a point i made recently. i suggested if people getting jsa have to work for their benefit then how about parents working for their child benefit. after their 8 hours in the office they can do an hour sweeping the streets at the end of each day.0 -
No problem shelly i understand. I was just curious if you asked them how long before you can claim again? The problem is as others have said, that once you have signed up with a provider and you are on Stage 4 and then sign off, they may put you back on FND as soon as you try to make a claim. Unless of course you have found work and can wait approx. 6 months to a year before reclaiming. Hope it works out.
No I didn't ask how long before I can claim again. Hubby has told me not to worry about it because we have worked out I have 24 years to get 12 years of NI credits paid for my pension.Someone has told me that there would be a gap on my N.I. contributions and i would need to pay for this myself if i were to sign off. But if i can get some part time work of up to 16 hours then the jobcentre will still pay for the NI. (Class 3?)
Does anyone know how much exactly i would need to pay each week for N.I.? or how much the jobcentre pay? Would my employer automatically deduct this?
Also what happens if there are gaps on your record for N.I. contributions that you dont pay? Does it affect your state pension in future etc? thanks
My Mum was in the same position recently. She has a job that started out at under 16 hours and she signed on fortnightly for her NI. As soon as she started working over 15 hours and 59 seconds a week then she had to sign off and pay her own NI.
To pay your own NI at class 3 costs just over £12 a week. If you worked over 16 hours it starts to come out of your wages.
If you don't pay NI yourself or have credits added by JCP you will get a chance to pay in a lump sum.
If you don't pay your missing NI it does affect your pension. The qualifying years for men and women are now 30 so for every qualifying year you have paid you get 1/30th of the basic state pension.
So if you have paid NI for a full 30 years you get full pension but if you have paid only 15 years you get half of the basic pension.
More info here http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ni/volcontr/toppingup.htm:heart2: Love isn't finding someone you can live with. It's finding someone you can't live without :heart2:0 -
My Mum was in the same position recently. She has a job that started out at under 16 hours and she signed on fortnightly for her NI. As soon as she started working over 15 hours and 59 seconds a week then she had to sign off and pay her own NI.
To pay your own NI at class 3 costs just over £12 a week. If you worked over 16 hours it starts to come out of your wages.
Do you know, if you have a job thats under 16 hours a week and you are signing on fortnightly for your NI for example if someone had been unemployed for 12 months then got a job at 15 hours per week and they signed on for their NI credit would they then have to attend a FND course as they would still be classed as a jobseeker if they were still signing on for credits, even though they actually had a job0 -
Do you know, if you have a job thats under 16 hours a week and you are signing on fortnightly for your NI for example if someone had been unemployed for 12 months then got a job at 15 hours per week and they signed on for their NI credit would they then have to attend a FND course as they would still be classed as a jobseeker if they were still signing on for credits, even though they actually had a job
Only going on my Mums experience she was only signing on for a few weeks after getting her job. Her hours soon crept up to over 16 a week so she signed off but in those few weeks FND was never mentioned to her at all.:heart2: Love isn't finding someone you can live with. It's finding someone you can't live without :heart2:0 -
donnajunkie wrote: »i had my second appointment this morning and i'm glad its over. she made me apply for a job at a company located somewhere i cant get to for the 7.30am start time. she made me phone them up and stood over me while i did it. they asked me to email my cv. she said we will just send it from your email address on my computer here...now. she intially was expecting me to give here my password to log into it for me. i said i dont want to give you my password. she laughed and said what do you think i'm going to do. she gave in and let me type it in myself. when i got home i changed my password just incase she watched me type it in.[...]
It's almost as if you're going through similar experiences to mine. Although I was on the old New Deal, my adviser told me to do the same. She rang up an agency and passed the phone over to me to speak to that who then asked me to email my CV to them. Fun times to be had, I feel for you but at least you still have your sanity. This time around I won't be on the receiving end at least.0 -
donnajunkie wrote: »she said we will just send it from your email address on my computer here...now. she intially was expecting me to give here my password to log into it for me. i said i dont want to give you my password. she laughed and said what do you think i'm going to do. she gave in and let me type it in myself. when i got home i changed my password just incase she watched me type it in.
i was a bit scared she would click on my inbox and see email notifications for threads like this one and the government scheme joke thread. i dont think she would have been very impressed. luckily she left me to take it to new email before she took over to type the bull*** and attach the cv.
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DO NOT USE YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ACCOUNTS FOR THESE THINGS
Set up a separate brand new 'throw away' email address (hotmail and gmail are free) especially for this and this alone. Also use a completely different password for it.
1, if they want to look they can
2, easy to find anything FND ask for or you need to show
3, the rest of your life is now separate
Lastly since you are using a shared PCs always make sure you uncheck any remember me boxes for user name / email address / password.0 -
donnajunkie wrote: »i do know what i am talking about but of course i am still not an expert. in my experience the 2 week gateway to work course is only for a small number of people, mostly under 25's. i have never ever been refered onto gateway to work and i know many people who have been on the old new deal who also have never had to do the gate way to work course. it did exist here as i have met people who have done it. they always seemed to either be under 25 or total headbangers. everything else you describe is pretty much as i said, although in more detail.0
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If the unemployed don't even have the same legal rights as the employed then they are truly an underclass. If work is "Mandatory" then you should at least receive a minimum wage. It's irrelevent whether the Government feel they have a technical cop-out or not, they should be seen to be FAIR at all times. Isn't fairness one of Gordon Brown's election themes?
I totally agree. When someone is unemployed and are forced on to one of these programmes they should still be paid the NMW for any work they do. Otherwise its illegal in a sense. I dont think the programme is in full swing at the moment. But if or when it does come about then i can see people complaining to the authorities about this.MissMoneypenny wrote: »Why don't all of you that have reached stage 4, just claim to be stressed/depressed/bad back, and get a sickness payment benefit instead of JSA? That way you won't have to work for the benefits, just like many others don't.Dont think its as simple as that these days. Maybe a few years ago just about anyone could fake a bad back and start claiming IB or whatever. But these days even genuinely injured people are being turned away. Doctors have probably been warned to stop handing out sick notes willy nilly to anyone who asks. And besides, unless someone is disabled or seriously injured long term, i doubt if most jobseekers could pull it off by claiming they are depressed.
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Do you know, if you have a job thats under 16 hours a week and you are signing on fortnightly for your NI for example if someone had been unemployed for 12 months then got a job at 15 hours per week and they signed on for their NI credit would they then have to attend a FND course as they would still be classed as a jobseeker if they were still signing on for credits, even though they actually had a job
Not entirely sure about this but i think when you reach Stage 4 they may be able to fit the FND course around your hours of work. So if you worked less than 16 hours per week, they may ask you to attend half a day each week or maybe two half days with the provider. As far as im aware the only way to avoid FND for definite is to stop signing. But for how long is unclear at the moment.0
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