Flexible new deal stages and signing off to reclaim

donnajunkie

coupes wrote: »

All i will say on this is that there are a lot of people out there in unfortunate circumstances or are just unlucky in a sense when it comes to employment. Nobody wants to be scrubbing toilets for a living. There are so many factors involved when it comes to finding decent work. It has almost become a privilege to be offered permanent employment and be allowed to earn your own money. There is no point knocking people for claiming benefit to support themselves when they cant find work. It is their legal right after all.

i think its about time employers also fealt privileged that they have people willing to work hard all day generating their profit. alot of why some people arent as keen as they should be to get a job is due to employers bad attitudes.

donnajunkie

coupes wrote: »

I dont think i could sign off for 6 months. That is way too long. Even 13 weeks would be pushing it. Got bills to pay and other expenses.

So it maybe that i have to try this course but im still undecided. Its just the thought of sitting there all day listening to their twaddle that puts me off.

you have to listen to lots of twaddle but you are unlikely to have to sit there all day.

sunnyone

codwidow wrote: »

Thanks for your reply. Apparently NI costs about £8 a month to pay yourself, I would imagine FND costs a lot more than that

You already know that you can have HRP NI credits but you sign on for your morgage PPI so why keep claiming that you do it for NI contributions only?

Youve had your 6 months and thats all many people are entitled too and if you pay your stamp yourself theres no form completed for your morgage protection which is the real reason that you sign on and by signing on you are subject to the same rules as everyone else signing on.

codwidow

sunnyone wrote: »

You already know that you can have HRP NI credits but you sign on for your morgage PPI so why keep claiming that you do it for NI contributions only?

Youve had your 6 months and thats all many people are entitled too and if you pay your stamp yourself theres no form completed for your morgage protection which is the real reason that you sign on and by signing on you are subject to the same rules as everyone else signing on.

Yes that is why I am signing on and I never said otherwise I dont keep "claiming" that I do it for NI contributions only - no pun intended

I am not complaining that I have had only 6 months worth of JSA - not once did I say I expected more or less I just stated that I didnt get any JSA payment anymore, hardly complaining is it, am sure you would have preferred it if I had though :T

Perhaps you can go and find some other MSE users to attack, trawl through their posts and there's your evenings' entertainment sorted:beer:
Hope tomorrow is better for you

sunnyone

codwidow wrote: »

Yes that is why I am signing on and I never said otherwise I dont keep "claiming" that I do it for NI contributions only - no pun intended

I am not complaining that I have had only 6 months worth of JSA - not once did I say I expected more or less I just stated that I didnt get any JSA payment anymore, hardly complaining is it, am sure you would have preferred it if I had though :T

Perhaps you can go and find some other MSE users to attack, trawl through their posts and there's your evenings' entertainment sorted:beer:
Hope tomorrow is better for you

I have read the thread that you started and your responses in other threads on related subjects but thats because I read all of the threads on this board and your responses are always that you are signing on for NI credits only and your not, my husband is very ill and he dosnt need sick notes because hes in the support group of ESA but he needs them for the one debt that we have (his car) so he gets them for that, and that is the same as you signing on to claim a benefit that you have paid premiums for while you were doing ok and in work.

My husband gets sicknotes and you sign on, neither of you need to in to but are compelled to for other reasons and I was pointing that out and not attacking you and Im sorry if thats what you think but I call a spade a spade and that includes the reason that my husband needs sick notes.

codwidow

As you so sadly have trawled through all the threads then you already know that I am signing on to claim my mortgage protection, assistance with finding a job and my NI stamp, if I hadnt wrote that I was claiming off my MPPI policy how would you have known in the first place so I must have mentioned it on this site Sorry your husband needs sick notes but I thought this thread was about Flexible New Deal - sorry your having a bad day and feel the need to take it out on someone else

mummytotwo_3

TheBottomLine wrote: »

Almost losing your life last year has nothing to with the point I made - why mention it unless you just want to get sympathy and make me look mean?

I almost lost my life in the first Gulf War having been caught in a blast. Fortunately I survived but I never regained my sight, and after almost ten years I can now walk again. It isn't just you that's having a tough life.

I still stand by what I said, and maybe if you hadn't blown that £1000 a week you had coming in things might be easier for you now. I'll say no more on the subject as you're only going to try to make me out to be a bully picking on the poor woman who almost died.

Perhaps if you had got your facts correct in the first place then I would not have felt the need to respond. I stated in my original post, they were personal and upsetting reasons, and I was going to keep it just that personal. You failed to read that I had in fact been sterilised and therefore becoming pregnant was supposed to be impossible.

You have blatently overlooked the fact that I work part time and so therefore I am not unemployed. Or does part time working not count as employment.

We did not waste or blow our previous income may I add, we paid our own way in the world, mortgage etc and helped my parents pay for the carers that they needed and still need, unfortunately we cannot afford to do no longer. My father is 80 and due to a stroke at 60 needs help with simple things like dressing, toileting as he is not able to do this for himself. My mother cant help him as she is not in good health either, hence the need for outside help.

Seen as you mention the gulf war, my father and uncle fought in the 2nd world war together, and only my father came home alive. Im sorry for your injuries, but it still does not detract that you are being a bully. Call me a poor woman if you like - I can hold my own in a court of law alongside any male and win, just because I dont practice at present.

We get £11.00 per week jsa which dosent go a long way with a mortgage to pay, but we choose to pay it. We could say no we are not doing it anymore, sell and repay are mortgage, rent and claim full hb etc, but we dont, and never want to.

My husband knows what he has to do to find a job, god knows he would love me to stop nagging him about. He does not want to get to fnd as the provider here is actually under investigation for fraud - what a joke!!!

So if you feel the need to bully people, then choose someone who is not likely to respond back.

tsimehC

coupes wrote: »

I dont think i could sign off for 6 months. That is way too long. Even 13 weeks would be pushing it. Got bills to pay and other expenses.

So it maybe that i have to try this course but im still undecided. Its just the thought of sitting there all day listening to their twaddle that puts me off.

Which provider is it btw? A4e by any chance? Let me give you a typical day at their office when I was on New Deal Options:

9AM - Sign in at reception with the only decent staff member in the building - the security guard.

9.05 AM - 10.30 AM - Jobsearch with a bunch of other inmates mainly with the yellow pages (hopeless - no one got anywhere with that) and the newspapers which were full of vacancies not suitable for the group I was in (inexperienced youths).

10.31AM - Try and get on a computer but the four computers are all being used by people just browsing shopping sites (obviously for "work") and listening to music blasting through their mobiles. This is all fine as the adviser is not even in the room to supervise.

10.45 AM - Grab a free cup of tea and biscuit!

11 AM - Return to assigned room only to find the internet's gone down (no joke on this, it happened many times). The computer users have now started playing Solitaire, I preferred Minesweeper.

11.30 AM - One-on-one interview with adviser, just a quick update on my jobsearch and see how I was getting along. Everything's fine of course otherwise you're in trouble.

12 PM - Start filling in the job logs. Many people are writing in fake jobsearch entries and I see no reason why I shouldn't...I start writing "Looked in Yellow Pages..."

1PM - Lunch! Well, I went home for that (yay for parents).

2PM - Return to jobsearching and stare at the nice white walls for about the rest of the day.

4PM - Hometime! Homework is to continue...jobsearching.

The next day at 9AM (you probably will not attend every day like I did) expect a call to tell you to go a pre-screening which is a TOTAL waste of time. I was matched for a bakery role I never would've got anyway as I had no experience in that field and the guy doing the screening even pointed this out. I still had to sign up to that employment agency though. :T As of today, I haven't heard anything from them. EBLA I think they're called.

Eventually when I got a job interview, the help I got was very good. The mock runs were extremely good for my confidence and helped me get the job I got today (although they didn't get an outcome from me as I left beforehand) but as for the normal day at these providers, it's just a horrible time in your life and it's best just to grind through it or make the most of it, my highscore on Minsweeper was about 458 iirc and in case I gave away too many details for people to identify me, I really don't care. I'll repeat my views of A4e every time I get the chance to and my local JCP aren't that great either.

Hang in there coupes.

Parva

Phew, long but interesting thread! I too have been subject to New Deal in the past but the West Yorkshire version is somewhat different, 18 months before you're subjected to it if you're 25+.

Regardless, a friend of mine has just hit this 18 month cap and been told he's getting put onto it. That's fair enough. His (now personal) advisor said he could run various scenarios to see how much better off my friend would be.

Friend lives in a 2 bedroomed housing association house which I believe was band 'B' for council tax. If he took a 20 hour job at minimum wage and assuming no bus fares to get there he would be £10pw better off. If he took a 40 hour job at minimum wage he was £50 better off per week (taking into consideration the rent and council tax rebates). The advisor seemed to think that my friend could get a bus pass for £10PW if the job was in the city centre, I've not been able to confirm this, I suspect it'll need a pass costing £18pw.

So, assuming that he can get the pass for £10pw that means he's £40pw better off, or translated another way, he's earning £1 per HOUR and that's only work time, that doesn't include travel.

I'm not advocating that people don't work but it's clear to see why they wouldn't want to. I used to be in a highly paid job (printing) where I could easily earn £100 just for 4 hours on a Saturday morning and I've taken a big nosedive in money to get out of that trade but if I were told that I could make £50PW over and above benefits (and this assumes no travel costs) then I know what I would be doing. Either sleeping or getting a suntan in the garden!

Sorry, that's a brutal and very wrong way to address the issues here but it is a simple fact that anyone in an unemployed position could face and I fail to see any argument that could persuade them that they are better off actually working. Better job and wages yes, but minimum wage is a big problem when getting people out of unemployment.

robpw2

Parva wrote: »

So, assuming that he can get the pass for £10pw that means he's £40pw better off, or translated another way, he's earning £1 per HOUR and that's only work time, that doesn't include travel.

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he is earning more than £1 an hour but he gets to keep £1 an hour to himself without bills etc so thats £160 a month
i think i would prefer to be earning then just reciving