Flexible new deal stages and signing off to reclaim

donnajunkie

codwidow wrote: »

Donnajunkie - did anyone mention paying for childcare at your FND place ?

I am signing for my credits and the JCP are being woolley about whether the provider will pay my childcare whilst I attend FND. If I am going to be expected to be sat there for half a day at a time I am either going to have to take my child with me or get something paid for.

I cant see the point in my attending the course at all, I am not getting any benefits so I cant see why they are insisting on my attendance when it clearly costs the taxpayer loads of money, its not like they are getting me off benefits and back to work because I dont get any money from them as it is, it will be costing them far more to send me on FND than it would to see me once a fortnight at the JC, hey ho another waste of money

in the first letter i got it mentioned help with child care. it said you should let them know if you will need help as soon as you can. i dont know anymore because i dont need child care myself.
you may not get benefit but people will say you get your ni paid for you and that is why you should do fnd. that is not me saying that.
the old new deal and fnd are not very successful and are likely to cost the taxpayer more than what they save. stupidly taxpayers say people should do new deal because of how much they cost the taxpayer. :huh:

codwidow

donnajunkie wrote: »

in the first letter i got it mentioned help with child care. it said you should let them know if you will need help as soon as you can. i dont know anymore because i dont need child care myself.
you may not get benefit but people will say you get your ni paid for you and that is why you should do fnd. that is not me saying that.
the old new deal and fnd are not very successful and are likely to cost the taxpayer more than what they save. stupidly taxpayers say people should do new deal because of how much they cost the taxpayer. :huh:

Thanks for your reply. Apparently NI costs about £8 a month to pay yourself, I would imagine FND costs a lot more than that

donnajunkie

codwidow wrote: »

Thanks for your reply. Apparently NI costs about £8 a month to pay yourself, I would imagine FND costs a lot more than that

i wouldnt be surprised if it costs more even if you were getting jsa.

shelly

codwidow wrote: »

Thanks for your reply. Apparently NI costs about £8 a month to pay yourself, I would imagine FND costs a lot more than that

Class 3 (voluntary) NI contributions cost £12 a week.

Sues48

codwidow wrote: »

Donnajunkie - did anyone mention paying for childcare at your FND place ?

I am signing for my credits and the JCP are being woolley about whether the provider will pay my childcare whilst I attend FND. If I am going to be expected to be sat there for half a day at a time I am either going to have to take my child with me or get something paid for.

I cant see the point in my attending the course at all, I am not getting any benefits so I cant see why they are insisting on my attendance when it clearly costs the taxpayer loads of money, its not like they are getting me off benefits and back to work because I dont get any money from them as it is, it will be costing them far more to send me on FND than it would to see me once a fortnight at the JC, hey ho another waste of money

You may not be receiving JSA but you will still be counted on the register as being unemployed. This is the bottom line, JCP targets are all about reducing the numbers of people registered as unemployed.

Whilst I have sympathy for your situation, you can't have it all ways, if you wish to continue claiming on your insurance policy then you will have to comply with the JSA regualtions regardless of whether you are actually in receipt of any benefit. How long does your policy pay out for? Most that I am aware of stop paying out after 12 months.

oldmotherreilly

Codwidow-this comes from the Provider Guidance from the Flexible New Deal section:

Childcare
[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial][FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]4.73. Childcare can be an important factor when helping some customers into work and is part of the Governments Agenda on eradicating child poverty. More information can be obtained from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) / Child Poverty site. http://www.dwp.gov.uk/childpoverty/. [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]
[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]4.74. In some circumstances you will need to coordinate childcare arrangements with JCP and or other organisations from which customers are receiving support. [/FONT]
[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]4.75. Customers on employment programmes (which the Flexible New Deal is one of) should never be worse off by virtue of the requirement for participation. You will therefore be responsible for funding childcare for customers’ children where a need for childcare is identified. [/FONT]
[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]4.76. It is important to remember funding should only be given if the childcare is with an approved provider. For specific information on registered childcare in your area you should contact your Local Authority (Details of Government Law can be can be obtain from the Children’s Act 1986 (c.41)) Childrens Act 1989). As source of information on formal childcare see the ‘direct.gov’ site: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Parents/Childcare/DG_066832. [/FONT]

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[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial][FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]4.77. Approved childcare providers: [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]

[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]• carers registered with OFSTED (Office for Standards in Education), Care Standards Inspectorate for Wales, Care Commission (Scotland) [/FONT]
[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]• a carer accredited under the Childcare Approval Scheme, run on school premises out of school hours or as an out of hours club by a Local Authority; or [/FONT]
[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]• schools or establishments exempted from registration under the Children’s Act 1989 or operated on Crown property. [/FONT]

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[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]4.78. The customer can make alternative arrangements for example with friends or family. However, payment cannot be authorised for friends or family members unless they are in one of the categories outlined above. The child must satisfy the age requirement, and must be dependant of and residing with the customer who must be in receipt of child benefit for the child/ children in question. [/FONT]
[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]4.79. JCP sets its costs for childcare up to the Tax Credit limits. Providers may therefore wish to follow or consider the following guidelines: [/FONT]
[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]• help with childcare costs can be paid up to, but not including the first Tuesday in September following the child’s 15th birthday [/FONT]
[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]• parents requiring childcare for five days a week can claim up to a maximum of £175 per week for one child and £300 per week for two or more children. [/FONT]
[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]• if the customer is attending an approved activity of less than five days a week, they can claim the maximum daily rates of £35 per day for one child and £60 per day for two or more children. (These rates are based on figures for April 2007 see. www.direct.gov.uk). [/FONT]

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[FONT=KMNKBP+Arial,Arial]Think it answers your question! If you have anymore, this is the link http://www.dwp.gov.uk/supplying-dwp/what-we-buy/welfare-to-work-services/provider-guidance/flexible-new-deal-guidance.shtml[/FONT]

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codwidow

Many thanks for that

TheBottomLine_2

mummytotwo wrote: »

I actually work part time, and I was sterilised last year, so should not have needed contraceptives - you see i almost lost my life last feb having my dd. If and only if I can make it to 37 weeks, im to have a c-section and full hysterctomy at 33.

Almost losing your life last year has nothing to with the point I made - why mention it unless you just want to get sympathy and make me look mean?

I almost lost my life in the first Gulf War having been caught in a blast. Fortunately I survived but I never regained my sight, and after almost ten years I can now walk again. It isn't just you that's having a tough life.

I still stand by what I said, and maybe if you hadn't blown that £1000 a week you had coming in things might be easier for you now. I'll say no more on the subject as you're only going to try to make me out to be a bully picking on the poor woman who almost died.

coupes

All i will say on this is that there are a lot of people out there in unfortunate circumstances or are just unlucky in a sense when it comes to employment. Nobody wants to be scrubbing toilets for a living. There are so many factors involved when it comes to finding decent work. It has almost become a privilege to be offered permanent employment and be allowed to earn your own money. There is no point knocking people for claiming benefit to support themselves when they cant find work. It is their legal right after all.

coupes

I dont think i could sign off for 6 months. That is way too long. Even 13 weeks would be pushing it. Got bills to pay and other expenses.

So it maybe that i have to try this course but im still undecided. Its just the thought of sitting there all day listening to their twaddle that puts me off.