flexible new deal - rules??? can they do this

busy_mom_2

donnajunkie wrote: »

what does future jobs fund and work based training involve? i have only seen my pcc once and already she is desperately keen to get me doing a work placement with a company. she didnt even mention that there were other options.

to be eligble for future jobs fund you need to be between 18 and 24 and on stage 3.
Work placements are the mandatory work placement, minimum of 4 weeks.

donnajunkie

trevormax wrote: »

I am not a fan of making things mandatory because in some cases, honest hard working people who have just fallen on hard times will get stuck in the system and be made to feel like they are not trying or are thought of as lazy scrounging dole jockeys when they are not. However, a portion of people on JSA have no intention of looking for work and they have had things far too easy up until now. This FND will be a good kick up the backside for those people when they find that they finally have to do somehting for their pocket money.

i agree that the mandatory thing doesnt work. if someone does not want to work making them do courses will make no difference. they can be made to do work placements but they cant be made to work hard. these people often dont care if they get sanctioned coz to quote one lad who was talking to me about this, he said if i get sacked off the course i will just go selling drugs. you say fnd will be a kick up the backside to these people but new deal has existed for 10 years and made no difference. why will fnd be any different?

donnajunkie

codwidow wrote: »

Thank you. It is Flexible new deal where we are and I am over 25. I have been unemployed for a year, I last saw a JC advisor in Jan for about 45 minutes as I had to take my daughter with me, we discussed college courses but again the childcare issue seemed to hamper things so he just left it really. There was a course I was interested in but there was no funding available for help with childcare so I dont understand why I have been referred to this when they know my situation, of course it could be an error.

you last saw your advisor in january? they have took their time refering you havent they. i last saw my advisor on march 5th and i had my first appointment with the outside provider on 22nd march. he even refered me early because i wont be at the 12 month mark until the end of april.

donnajunkie

codwidow wrote: »

I think it would be interesting to compare how much it costs to actually pay the stamp and how much it costs to send someone on a FND course who is only coming in the jobcentre in the first place to get their stamp. I would imagine the FND is significantly more

it probably costs more for someone to do fnd than what is costs to pay them jsa, nevermind ni.

codwidow

They dont really seem too interested to be honest which is why I was suprised when I was told about my possible referral to the new deal thing. Where I live they are literally over run with unemployed people, most long term. I am coming up for a year of being unemployed on their system. No one had actually looked at my job log book since January since my advisor either up until about a week ago I just had to sign the thing which says your still unemployed.

trevormax

@ Codwidow - If you only get stamp paid and no HB or CTB plus you get CB then you might consider signing off as you have no real need to sign on. Your stamp is paid automatically by CB. However, to pay stamp your self, I believe it is the difference between the lower earnings limit (£97) and the primary threshold (£110) at the rate of NI (11%) which would be £1.43 per week but I might be wrong, I am not an expert in NI and stamp duty.

Future jobs fund, - a fund designed to create work (as in create jobs) for 18-24 year olds or people facing barriers to work and have been on JSA for 1 year or more.

http://research.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/futurejobsfund/pdf/fjf-guide.pdf

There are other things but I am a wee bit tired and need some sleep

donnajunkie

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

To clarify

"Men" = People who want to work and are seriously aiming towards that goal

"Boys" = People who have been on the dole for some time and think it is their right

Thsi Goverment, for all its manifold errors, seems to be finally picking apart the consequences of it and the previous Tories mistakes

this applied to the old new deal as well, perhaps even more so as the work placements lasted longer.

donnajunkie

busy_mom wrote: »

to be eligble for future jobs fund you need to be between 18 and 24 and on stage 3.
Work placements are the mandatory work placement, minimum of 4 weeks.

so basically if you are over 25 the only thing available to you is a work placement with a company and nothing else? i am sure i read somewhere that people can class voluntary work as their 4 week work boost as it is called.

seven-day-weekend

codwidow wrote: »

I was on Contribution based JSA and am now signing for my NI credits, I cant understand why I have been told I need to embark on flexible new deal when they know I have a small child at home (Apologies for hijacking the thread)

You are supposed to be available for work if you are claiming JSA, so if you are saying that yoiu can't do this course because of the children, then how will you do a job? If you are genuinely available for work you will have arrangements in place.

You do not need to have NI credited through signing on, they are credited automatically if you are claiming Child Benefit.

alwaysonthego_2

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