flexible new deal - rules??? can they do this

donnajunkie

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

Yes DonnaJunkie lets not forget the excellent idea of the mandatory four week work placement, I can tell you that is sorting out the men from the boys.

sorry if i'm being thick here but what exactly do you mean?

coupes

Does anyone know how long you have to sign off for and reclaim JSA if you dont want to do the Stage 4 New Deal course? Im being referred to a provider (A4E) in the next couple of weeks. Apparently the course can last up to A YEAR?!

Ive been told by my NDA that some people only need to visit the provider once a fortnight when they have agreed their times. Is this really true? My NDA was very kind and understanding of my concerns. She was even saying that things at these centres arent the way they used to be. People arent locked into a room for the whole week etc?

The only thing is i already have an up to date CV, i can write speculative letters, cover letters, can use a phone to call companies and im competent with a computer. So i dont really see the point in going there. Voluntary work doesnt really interest me because ive done it before and it didnt get me anywhere.

All advice welcome.

Vader123

coupes wrote: »

Does anyone know how long you have to sign off for and reclaim JSA if you dont want to do the Stage 4 New Deal course?

If your considering signing off to avoid new deal then you do not need the money.

If you have this chain of thought regarding a 12 month commitment to a course, what does it say about your attititude to full time employment! Good god.

They are trying to make you more employable and since you have not managed to get a job on your own whats the problem? Any work will look better on your CV compared to a long period of unemployment.

Claiming JSA does not have many requirements or hoops to jump through. However the longer you are claiming the more hoops and requirements there are.

Claiming JSA long term requires a New Deal course.

If you don't like it, sign off or (holy smoke!) get a job!

I see you don't like the JC+ checking up that you are appyling for jobs :

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=2190545

You are asking the state to intervene and pay you money while you don't work, yet should the state intervene and ask you proof, you dont like it!


Is anyone keeping count anymore? Another work shy person on JSA!

Vader

donnajunkie

coupes wrote: »

Does anyone know how long you have to sign off for and reclaim JSA if you dont want to do the Stage 4 New Deal course? Im being referred to a provider (A4E) in the next couple of weeks. Apparently the course can last up to A YEAR?!

Ive been told by my NDA that some people only need to visit the provider once a fortnight when they have agreed their times. Is this really true? My NDA was very kind and understanding of my concerns. She was even saying that things at these centres arent the way they used to be. People arent locked into a room for the whole week etc?

The only thing is i already have an up to date CV, i can write speculative letters, cover letters, can use a phone to call companies and im competent with a computer. So i dont really see the point in going there. Voluntary work doesnt really interest me because ive done it before and it didnt get me anywhere.

All advice welcome.

i have been given mixed messages regarding signing off and stage 4. well i have always been lead to believe if you signed off for 13 weeks or more you went back to square one. however i have also been told that once i am on fnd the contract is for 52 weeks and even if i got a job that lasts 11 months, i would still get refered back for the final month when i go back on jsa.
you are required to see your personal career coach once a fortnight. you also have to do any course they feel you need. for example mine has said she is going to put me on a once a week jobsearch session. at the end of my first meeting with her i had to do a questionaire on a pc. there are questions like do you need help with a cv and are you good at interviews. basically if you say you are bad at anything you will be doing classes in that subject. so anything that you dont want to do a class for make sure you give the answer that says you dont need help. my pcc also refered me to do an induction tomorrow which is going to last for 3 hours. so you may have to do an induction as well.
you will have to do a work placement while on the course which has to last a minimum of 4 weeks. keep in mind that they have a rule were even if you have just one day off sick they will put you back to the start of the placement. so for example you could be off sick on the last day of the 4 weeks and that would mean you would have to start the whole 4 weeks again.

donnajunkie

Vader123 wrote: »

If your considering signing off to avoid new deal then you do not need the money.

If you have this chain of thought regarding a 12 month commitment to a course, what does it say about your attititude to full time employment! Good god.

They are trying to make you more employable and since you have not managed to get a job on your own whats the problem? Any work will look better on your CV compared to a long period of unemployment.

Claiming JSA does not have many requirements or hoops to jump through. However the longer you are claiming the more hoops and requirements there are.

Claiming JSA long term requires a New Deal course.

If you don't like it, sign off or (holy smoke!) get a job!

I see you don't like the JC+ checking up that you are appyling for jobs :

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=2190545

You are asking the state to intervene and pay you money while you don't work, yet should the state intervene and ask you proof, you dont like it!


Is anyone keeping count anymore? Another work shy person on JSA!

Vader

how do you know they were just planning to sign off? even so have you actually done any of these government schemes? perhaps you dont know how bad they can be.

Vader123

donnajunkie wrote: »

even so have you actually done any of these government schemes? perhaps you dont know how bad they can be.

I am assuming that by saying :

Does anyone know how long you have to sign off for and reclaim JSA if you dont want to do the Stage 4 New Deal course

that he is considering signing off to aviod it. Its a reasonable assumption.

donnajunkie wrote: »

perhaps you dont know how bad they can be.

Its tough.

When your out of work that long you are doing something wrong, so you are made to do other things.

Don't like?

sign off or get a job.

Vader

codwidow

"you are doing something wrong"

What a load of tosh

oldmotherreilly

Vader, a couple of years ago I might have agreed with you that many people who were long term unemployed chose to be so, but with the current economic/employment situation I am now not of that opinion. There are now plenty of people who are genuinely desperately seeking work but due to a lack of jobs are unable to find one. Evidence of this can be found, at least in my local area, in our local newspapers where the jobs advertised has gone down from four pages to about four job adverts a week. Unskilled jobs in my area receive hundreds of applications for one job. However, JCP courses are mandatory and I am afraid that if people wish to continue to receive benefits from the state, it is a case of making the best of what is on offer.

Mr_Falling_Star

donnajunkie wrote: »

sorry if i'm being thick here but what exactly do you mean?

While you are with a Flexible new deal provider there is a mandatory four week work placement that everyone has to do.

And in answer to the other posters queries the gap between claims has to be 26 weeks if you want to start from square one

codwidow

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

While you are with a Flexible new deal provider there is a mandatory four week work placement that everyone has to do.

And in answer to the other posters queries the gap between claims has to be 26 weeks if you want to start from square one

Does this apply to people who have small kids who are being referred to Flexible New Deal ? I dont have any childcare if I am going to be forced to go on a four week work placement