Money Moral Dilemma: Should Janet pay John’s tip?

macabc

I've got plenty of "tips" for many of the oiks waiting tables who don't give a monkeys. For those who do, financial tip. For those who don't, a few words of "wisdom".

M

neilpost

macabc wrote: »

I've got plenty of "tips" for many of the oiks waiting tables who don't give a monkeys. For those who do, financial tip. For those who don't, a few words of "wisdom".

M

like it.

Though quite why anyone thinks that

1. Askling people what they want, and writing it down
2. taking oirder to kitchen
3. Taking drinks to table
4. Taking Food to table a few times
5. Taking plates away
6. Taking some more drinks

Deserves more money to be given, than the actual cost inc taxes and service charge is beyond. me.....

Many of the hardest working people I know on minimum wage (or near as makes no difference) do what they do without any thoughts of lining their own pockets with money they believe is their god-given right for 'doing their job' - school dinner ladies, cleaners, fast food/takeaway workers, supermarket workers etc

Tipping has no place in a modern society.

Jomo

airheadgreg wrote: »

It could simply be a mistake on John's part, I've forgotten more important things at restaurants because I've been having such a good time and chatting. So I agree with Luleene, if John then makes a comment after that it could justify not leaving a tip, or maybe it was a mistake, alternatively he may not tip on principle.
I don't tip at certain chains because I know that the person I've tipped then has to put that into a jar for all the staff to benefit and that means picking up on the people who don't do a good job..

I agree that I'd rather have all the tip going to the waiter/ress who served me but I think it is unfair not to leave a tip because of this...if everybody felt that way there would be no tips!!

I used to be a waitress and had to share tips, not ideal but that's the way it was so the more tips made, the better!!

I think it would be nice of Janet to make the gesture of leaving the tip btw!

CravingSaving

neilpost wrote: »

If you give us good service, you will get politeness/courtesy back, as good manners.That's about all.

Fair enough.

You are paid, albeit probably minimum wage, to do a job. If you don't like it/can't survive on the money, you need to re-consider your vocation.

You don't know me. You have no idea how much I am paid. Don't make assumptions.

Why do think we owe you anything :rotfl:

I have never said that I deserve or expect tips.

.... I'd rather give the money to a deserving charity

Sure, but I bet you don't.
Some customers Do put some money in the charity box on their way out, and I think that is great.

Let me make something perfectly clear. My original point was that not to tip purely because the tips are pooled would mean that no-one benefited from the tips.

I accept that it is an individuals perogative whether they tip or not. I personally think it is a lovely thing to do. I have said that I DO tip, always have, always will. I can also see that if the custom were to be outlawed, and no-one tipped, ever, then that would solve many problems, but to those who have said it would force employers to pay decent wages, well, I just don't think that would be the case. Sad but true.

leaphaze

PoorPennilessMe wrote: »

So because it's the 21st century good manners should stop?

Sometimes I despair of what the world - no sorry - the people in it, are coming to...

No, good manners should never be sacrificed, and I agree there is not enough of it around nowadays. What I was trying to say is how can this be considered to be bad manners.

I think **jambo** hit the nail on the head: "Don't "!!!!! foot" around issues, first date or not, if you really feel strong enough about it.

Gotrek

neilpost wrote: »

Though quite why anyone thinks that

1. Askling people what they want, and writing it down
2. taking oirder to kitchen
3. Taking drinks to table
4. Taking Food to table a few times
5. Taking plates away
6. Taking some more drinks

Deserves more money to be given, than the actual cost inc taxes and service charge is beyond. me.....

Many of the hardest working people I know on minimum wage (or near as makes no difference) do what they do without any thoughts of lining their own pockets with money they believe is their god-given right for 'doing their job' - school dinner ladies, cleaners, fast food/takeaway workers, supermarket workers etc

Tipping has no place in a modern society.

Well said, I totally agree.

Wasspj

leaphaze wrote: »

What I was trying to say is how can this be considered to be bad manners.

It's bad manners because John has been generous enough to pay for her dinner and she is responding by calling him cheap. Whether She does so outright, or dresses it up in fancy words is largely irrelevant.

neilpost

[QUOTE=CravingSaving;31259671
.... I'd rather give the money to a deserving charity

Sure, but I bet you don't.
Some customers Do put some money in the charity box on their way out, and I think that is great.
.[/QUOTE]

I do actually.

It gets deducted from my monthly salary, and it is gift aided to maximise its value:money:.

I also split my last Nectar Points redemption in two, with 50% of the value going to the Haiti Fund, and 50% for me.

Fiddlestick

Wasspj wrote: »

It's bad manners because John has been generous enough to pay for her dinner and she is responding by calling him cheap. Whether She does so outright, or dresses it up in fancy words is largely irrelevant.

Hrmm.

If it were me, I wouldn't see it as bad manners.

What I *would* say is something along the lines of: "Hmm ok. I don't actually tip because I don't believe in it on principle, but if you wish to leave one then you are more than welcome."

Gareth_Lazelle

Something that has always bothered me about tipping:

Tipping is usually paid as a percentage of the cost of the meal.

So perhaps someone could explain to me why the "excellent service" as a cheap restaurant deserves to be tipped less than the "excellent service" (or even mediocre service) at an expensive restaurant (indeed, I would note that in the cheapest of restaurants tipping is not seen as necessary at all)?

Surely if tipping is acceptable at all then it should be even across the board, regardless of the cost of the meal - if the staff are good enough to deserve it (and especially as the staff at cheap restaurants probably have worse conditions and pay than those in the nicer places),

I can't help feeling that this is an aspect of how tipping is archaic (especially the way it is seen as being "expected"), and used as an excuse for restaurants to give their staff unpleasant working conditions and pay.