Money Moral Dilemma: Should Janet pay John’s tip?

leaphaze

Lurleene wrote: »

A simple ' as you've been so kind getting the bill at least let me cover the tip' should do the trick!

Can't understand why this thread is so long. Janet "thinks the waiter deserves a tip". Surely Lurleene has the perfect answer. Job done; discussion closed.

Etiquette? Bad manners? Bad form?:rotfl: What century are we living in?

If I was John, this is more likely to impress than not, but if this is problem for John, best to find out early on and find someone else.

moochershopper

I am with JIMBO. I do not see why anyone should expect a tip. If they dont like the wages dont do the job, then employers would have to pay more. Yes prices would go up, but better that than the awful "custom" of tipping. I think it is demeaning and I refuse to do it. I do not get or expect a tip in my job. It is time this practice was stopped.

CravingSaving

airheadgreg wrote: »

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I don't tip at certain chains because I know that the person I've tipped then has to put that into a jar for all the staff to benefit and that means picking up on the people who don't do a good job..

NOoooooo...................... I am a waitress. I have to pool my tips with everyone else on shift, including the landlord/chef! If you thought I had given good service, but the food was awful, then not leaving a tip would punish me as well, and I will have bent over backwards to rectify any problems and make your meal as enjoyable as possible, giving excellent customer service.

Yes, maybe someone who doesn't deserve a tip will benefit, but please don't punish the rest of us!

I digress......... I think the approach of "as you have been generous enough to cover the bill, the least I can do is to cover the tip" is an excellent approach.

In edit:

I can't believe some of the replies here. There really are some truly miserable sods out there. Not only am I a waitress, but I was brought up to tip waiting staff, hairdressers, taxi drivers etc if I received good service. It is quite simply good manners. This century, last century and the next. As for the comment about "if you don't like the wages, don't do the job....", well that beggars belief. I am going to step away from the keyboard for a while...

PoorPennilessMe

CravingSaving wrote: »

As for the comment about "if you don't like the wages, don't do the job....", well that beggars belief. I am going to step away from the keyboard for a while...

And whats wrong with that?

I work as a Training Consultant. Should I expect tips from Students who I help with their qualifications, just because I could do with more money? No, of course not. That would be ridiculous wouldn't it? And yet by helping those students, I could be helping them to get careers that have a positive affect for the rest of their lives! Surely that is more worthy of a tip than giving someone a smile when you bring them food or take their order...

But naturally I don't expect, and would refuse, any offer of gratuity. Why should any other industry be different? Customer Service industries are noble professions - they can bring a bit of sunshine into people's lives. I just think it is wrong to only provide good service if bribed into doing so... It should be it's own reward. My belief is that if someone feels differently, then it isn't the industry for them and they should get out of it as soon as possible!

PoorPennilessMe

leaphaze wrote: »

Etiquette? Bad manners? Bad form?:rotfl: What century are we living in? .

So because it's the 21st century good manners should stop?

Sometimes I despair of what the world - no sorry - the people in it, are coming to...

CravingSaving

PoorPennilessMe wrote: »

And whats wrong with that?

You have missed my point completely. I am sure each and everyone who has a low paid job would like a better paid job. Some people have no choice but to take low paid jobs, and thank heaven for them too. In the current climate, jobs are thin on the ground and people leaving University with Ologies, (which they may have as a direct result of your help), may only be able to find a job as a waiter/waitress. Positions for Rocket Scientists are few and far between.

maddigunn

No as it is a first date I would let it go. Maybe John doesn't approve of tipping on principle which is his prerogative. There is no way of dealing with this tactfully and if John has paid it is surely up to him whether he wants to leave a tip or not. If further dates follow and Janet pays she can lead by example!

neilpost

gjohnson wrote: »

Fair point. I was being presumptious. I assumed that people who were miserly with tips were probably not very generous by nature. That was wrong of me and I apologise.

You are quite right. Just because someone chooses not to leave a tip in a restaurant does not make them tight. Just someone I wouldn't want to have dinner with.

Maybe you are on the wrong forum ?

MSE - Does what is says on the tin

neilpost

CravingSaving wrote: »

You have missed my point completely. I am sure each and everyone who has a low paid job would like a better paid job. Some people have no choice but to take low paid jobs, and thank heaven for them too. In the current climate, jobs are thin on the ground and people leaving University with Ologies, (which they may have as a direct result of your help), may only be able to find a job as a waiter/waitress. Positions for Rocket Scientists are few and far between.

If you have half a brain, you can work up from staff and get a supervisors job in Tesco, Mcdonald's, KFC, Wetherspoons etc relatively easily, and you'll be earning > £15K in a year or so. hardly minimum wage. If you have a full brain, with some effort, you can make restaurant manager, depoartment head etc and be heading > £25 within a few years. There are loads of these sorts of jobs where you can work yourself up.

Current climate is not good, but there are still jobs around.

neilpost

CravingSaving wrote: »

I can't believe some of the replies here. There really are some truly miserable sods out there. Not only am I a waitress, but I was brought up to tip waiting staff, hairdressers, taxi drivers etc if I received good service. It is quite simply good manners. This century, last century and the next. As for the comment about "if you don't like the wages, don't do the job....", well that beggars belief. I am going to step away from the keyboard for a while...

If you give us good service, you will get politeness/courtesy back, as good manners.That's about all.

You are paid, albeit probably minimum wage, to do a job. If you don't like it/can't survive on the money, you need to re-consider your vocation.

Why do think we owe you anything :rotfl:

.... I'd rather give the money to a deserving charity.