PPC Letter Chains & Court Papers (discussion & comments)

prosnap

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tadgh_99

For anyone that is worried about which PPC actually go through with their threats of county court, I've just found this little nugget of information

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/322893/british-parking-association.doc

timbolo86

hi guys, thanks for this write up, i used it and behold got a mail and was told the notice as now been cancelled

bod1467

Congratulations and well done, but ...

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If you wish to tell us this worked for you, please create your own new thread.

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And right below is another example of a Newbie WHO CAN'T READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr_Happy_Stockport

This website works !!!!

I received a fine from Parking Eye in Liverpool for an offence in October 2014 at Britannia Adelphi car park. I overstayed by approx 40 mins and they sent me a '£60 parking fine'.

I was about to pay when my daughter told me i only need to pay council fines. I decided to do some internet research and am glad I did !!

I took the advise from this website.

I appealed the PCN by email on the Parking Eye website, within the time limit, using the letter as set out by Coupon-mad 10-11-2013.

Approx 8 days later I received letter from parking eye - I was expecting the worst, increased fine, threat of court, etc...to my surprise they cancelled the fine.

Cannot believe it, from nearly paying £60 to have it cancelled.

i cannot thank you enough. Great job. It really does work.

Thanks Guys.

pogofish

Great - but there are already established threads for reporting appeal and POPLA successes. Please post in them, not here!

Shirls10

I just wanted to say a BIG THANK YOU to Coupon Mad! Your post on how to appeal a PCN was great! I received a PCN for being over the 1 1/2 hour time limit by 12 minutes in an Aldi carpark. Outraged by their ludicrous demand for £40 in 2 weeks and £70 thereafter, I followed your advice and sent the template letter to the parking company (Parking Eye) last week. To my surprise I received an email yesterday to say the charge had been cancelled!!!!!!

Thank you so much, you've been a great help!




Dear Sirs

Re: PCN No. ....................

I challenge this 'PCN' as keeper of the car, on these main grounds:

a). The sum does not represent a genuine pre-estimate of loss, nor is it a core price term. It is a disguised penalty and not commercially justified.
b). As keeper I believe that the signs were not seen, the wording is ambiguous and the predominant purpose of your business model is intended to be a deterrent.
c). There is no evidence that you have any proprietary interest in the land.
d). Your 'Notice' fails to comply with the POFA 2012 and breaches various consumer contract/unfair terms Regulations.
e). There was no consideration nor acceptance flowing from both parties and any contract with myself, or the driver, is denied.
f). This is not a 'parking ticket' - it is an unsolicited invoice with as much merit as the publicly-derided £100 taken unlawfully from customers by a dingy Blackpool Hotel.

Your clients should be thoroughly ashamed of the shoddy way you treat consumers visiting their premises. The landowner will be made fully aware of this matter and your response, which I will forward to their CEO when I complain in writing and via social media, as appropriate.

Parking firms like yours fail to demonstrate even a basic understanding of customer service. The reputation of your business model appears to be more akin to a protection racket than 'parking management'. Your ATA may offer sound-bites about driving up standards or fight for motorists' rights but in reality they are not a regulator; they merely exist to represent the interests of paying members, in order to gain access to DVLA data. The public have no faith in the private parking industry and, as far as I have seen, your firm has not shown itself to be any different than the ex-clampers with whom you share a membership.

The purpose of this communication is:

1. Formal challenge
There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. As such, you must either rely on the POFA 2012 or cancel the charge. I suggest you uphold this challenge now or alternatively, send a rejection letter - subject to accepting my claim for costs as clearly stated below, since you have no case.

2. ''Drop hands'' offer
The extravagant 'parking charge' is baseless but I realise that you may have incurred nominal postage costs. Equally, I have incurred costs to date, for researching the law and responding to your junk mail dressed up to impersonate a parking ticket. It is clear that my costs and yours, at this point, do not exceed £15. Therefore, this is a formal “drop hands” offer. I remind you of the duty to mitigate any loss, so withdraw the spurious charge within 35 days without further expense and I will not pursue you for my costs. If you persist then I will charge in full for my time at £18 per hour plus my out-of-pocket expenses and damages for harassment.

3. Notice of cancellation of contract
I hereby give notice of withdrawal from this alleged 'contract' which was never properly offered by you and certainly was not expressly agreed. This 'contract' is hereby cancelled and any obligations now end. If you offer - and if I decide to use - IAS or POPLA, then the contract ends immediately on the date of their decision (whatever the outcome) so my notice of cancellation still applies. The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation & Additional Payments) Regulations apply now to every consumer contract, save for a few exemptions, which parking contracts are not. It is the will of Parliament following the EU Consumer Rights Directive, that express consent is obtained for consumer contracts now - not implied consent - and that information is provided in a durable medium in advance.

You have failed to meet these requirements. The foisting of unexpected contracts like this on consumers, by stealth, is a thing of the past.

By replying to the challenge you are acknowledging receipt and acceptance of points 2 and 3 above. If you decide to persist with this unwarranted threat, I will be put to unnecessary expense and hours of time in appealing or defending this matter. As such, you will be liable for my costs and a pre-estimate of my loss - and in contrast with yours, mine is genuine - is that this sum will be likely to exceed £100.

I have kept proof of submission of this challenge. I look forward to your considered reply within 35 days.

Yours faithfully,


{the registered keeper's name}

Coupon-mad

Glad to hear it! PE seem to drop out earlier now as they have bigger fish to fry.




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Mrsbazilboran

Hi there,

I can't quite understand what the letter template should be if I want to appeal to lps ( who my PCn is from) but once I have received a letter from debt recovery plus.

Any help would be great.

Thanks,

ampersand

OBEY #15, PLEASE

Welcome to the wonderful world of mse - sorry it's for this.

You must read the Newbies Stickies thoroughly first, get the hang of using the cram-packed goldmine of info. that's there, including template letters etc.

THEN, start a separate Thread. This isn't the place for individual enquiries. There's plenty to absorb about silly DRP letters.

Get reading:-)