BBC1 The day the immigrants left

sammyjammy

vaporate wrote: »

The whole show was a set-up. Certainly not a documentary.

They chose the worst looking unemployed with no qualifications.

I don't understand why they just did not put a big S superhero outfit on the immigrants and be done with it. :rotfl:

"Fear not UK, plonkerski will get these potatoes out on time" lol

You're kidding aren't you? Have you ever been in a Jobcentre? Thats what the long term unemployed look like! The guy that didn't turn up to the potato factory was 26 and had been unemployed for five years if I recall correctly, this guy got a 20% payrise in his benefit last year and still lives with his parents.

I don't think it was a set up, the presenter kept well out of the way for most ofi= it.

Personally I was ashamed on behalf of this country at the abject racism shown by the guy at the factory.

olly300

kissingthepink wrote: »

Well as a working immigrant of 13 years I cannot blame those poor Brits on the programme. They will earn far more money by drinking beer and shagging all day and having loads of sprogs and claiming all sorts of benefits that come with having "cash cow" children than they ever will by working. And plus they really are too sensitive to hold down a job. When they were told they needed to speed up they "got steaming" and needed a break to cool down! This country has lost its working class and replaced it with a very poorly chav class of layabouts.

Thatcher was warned when she wanted to close down the mines. Mining and similar jobs are sh*t but because people had a pride in going to work people did them if they could do nothing else.

Yes there were always those who did nothing but not to the same extent.

fc123

ninky wrote: »

yeah cos historically britain hasn't had any financial benefits from its exploitation of india / indians.....

IT visas aren't just open to indians, i had an american friend who came over on one even though she didn't have a clue about IT really. then did a sham marriage to stay in the country. tbh i don't really mind about any of it because imho borders are artificial creations of dubious motivation. i consider myself a citizen of the world and am happy for people to go and live wherever they want / can by whatever means (other than murder obviously).

I knew an illegal who was over here some years ago. He said 'the world is for everyone' and I see his,point. It's just random chance where one is born.

Malcolm.

fc123 wrote: »

I knew an illegal who was over here some years ago. He said 'the world is for everyone' and I see his,point. It's just random chance where one is born.

It's completely impractical to have open borders though fc.
They'd be too much people movement without adaquet preparation.

Kohoutek

kissingthepink wrote: »

Well as a working immigrant of 13 years I cannot blame those poor Brits on the programme. They will earn far more money by drinking beer and shagging all day and having loads of sprogs and claiming all sorts of benefits that come with having "cash cow" children than they ever will by working. And plus they really are too sensitive to hold down a job. When they were told they needed to speed up they "got steaming" and needed a break to cool down! This country has lost its working class and replaced it with a very poorly chav class of layabouts.

Of course, you're right. Most politically correct middle class people think that the Daily Mail and other right wing newspapers make them stories up or wildly exaggerate the problem, but's it's happening on huge scale. It's just that liberal or leftwing newspapers don't publish stories about benefit abuse.

I like what Frank Field (former Minister of Welfare Reform, sacked by Blair because his proposals wouldn't win votes) says:

"We have had national welfare in this country for about 450 years. For 400 of those years, the whole country thought the purpose of welfare was for people of working age, when they could not find jobs, to provide jobs for them. It is only in the last 50 years or so that the idea that you should give people without work doles has gripped the public imagination, with all the consequences which we now see."

Frank Field is from a working class background and he's absolutely right - the welfare system from the Tudors until WWII was all about giving people work or organising people to work, and idleness was seen as morally wrong or even criminal. It's only relatively recently we've got used to the idea of paying people benefits to allow them to do nothing. It's not surprising this system is creating huge problems for the country.

worried_jim

kissingthepink wrote: »

Well as a working immigrant of 13 years I cannot blame those poor Brits on the programme. They will earn far more money by drinking beer and shagging all day and having loads of sprogs and claiming all sorts of benefits that come with having "cash cow" children than they ever will by working. And plus they really are too sensitive to hold down a job. When they were told they needed to speed up they "got steaming" and needed a break to cool down! This country has lost its working class and replaced it with a very poorly chav class of layabouts.

Spot on kissingthepink !

fc123

Malcolm. wrote: »

It's completely impractical to have open borders though fc.
They'd be too much people movement without adaquet preparation.

Yes I know that...but it was the sentiment...if that's the right expression.
FWIW , He came from Brazil via Ireland v easily and also got into the US on a fake Italian passport.

Always had work but was taken advantage of sometimes as he had no safety net.

ninky_2

Malcolm. wrote: »

It's completely impractical to have open borders though fc.
They'd be too much people movement without adaquet preparation.

where is the evidence for this. i'd say if there was an open border many of the current illegals would actually leave. often what is keeping them here is the fact it would be very hard for them to return again if they left.

obviously there would be a period of adjustment - i'm not suggesting it could or should happen overnight but be staggered.

why don't we have a border between wales and scotland? why are people allowed to travel between state borders in the US? all of these are examples of places with unequal distribution of natural resources. yet it is okay to travel between them.

i know that a world without borders is a bit much for most people to get their heads around but if it was the current state of things country borders would seem equally absurd. as i say, corporations don't seem to have to respect them.

Malcolm.

ninky wrote: »

where is the evidence for this. i'd say if there was an open border many of the current illegals would actually leave. often what is keeping them here is the fact it would be very hard for them to return again if they left.

obviously there would be a period of adjustment - i'm not suggesting it could or should happen overnight but be staggered.

why don't we have a border between wales and scotland? why are people allowed to travel between state borders in the US? all of these are examples of places with unequal distribution of natural resources. yet it is okay to travel between them.

i know that a world without borders is a bit much for most people to get their heads around but if it was the current state of things country borders would seem equally absurd. as i say, corporations don't seem to have to respect them.

I have a brain the size of a planet, I comprehend more than you think ninky.

Example? South Africa.

fc123

ninky wrote: »

where is the evidence for this. i'd say if there was an open border many of the current illegals would actually leave. often what is keeping them here is the fact it would be very hard for them to return again if they left.

obviously there would be a period of adjustment - i'm not suggesting it could or should happen overnight but be staggered.

why don't we have a border between wales and scotland? why are people allowed to travel between state borders in the US? all of these are examples of places with unequal distribution of natural resources. yet it is okay to travel between them.

i know that a world without borders is a bit much for most people to get their heads around but if it was the current state of things country borders would seem equally absurd. as i say, corporations don't seem to have to respect them.

If things carry on as they are (internet and globalisation) wouldn't surpirse me if borders became more lax and people moved around a lot more. Of course, it wouldn't work with our welfare state set up the way it is...but the world is a much smaller place.
My old dad believes that eventually (he didn't say how long...maybe 3 generations? ) all prices will even out.....so not a great gap between countries.
It's happening a little now....chinese prices going up, ours going down or staying the same.