BBC1 The day the immigrants left

vaporate

wigglebeena wrote: »

As a prole with forebears who moved wherever the work was and were often just (barely) literate, I can't trace back more than a couple of generations. I could be anything, Lithuanian, French, you name it. It's hilarious how proud people are of which bit of rock they were born on, as if it's some achievement on their part.

Reminds me of Russell Howard's Daily Mail spiel about, 'Point your fanny towards Dover, mother...'

I saw that show. The guy is a complete moron who thinks he is funny...

chucky

vaporate wrote: »

Total 1st class Troll.

Nothing but playground verbal insults.

a lovely way to get out of responding to a post that shows you to be the racist that you are

a point so easily proven

i just hope for your sake that one of your kids (if you have any) doesn't come home with someone of another skin colour

vaporate

chucky wrote: »

a lovely way to get out of responding to a post that shows you to be the racist that you are

point proven

i just hope for your sake that one of your kids (if you have any) doesn't come home with someone of another skin colour

lol oh so I'm racist now because I disagree with the UK's current immigration policy? lol

Firstly I do not live in a council house (which I hardly see why that matters?)

The only point proven is your 'ability' to spout rubbish.

chucky

vaporate wrote: »

Firstly I do not live in a council house (which I hardly see why that matters?)

the give away was the pit bull and the union jack hanging out of the window :eek:

you should travel the world and meet some people from different cultures and different races - you might learn something and appreciate them

vaporate

chucky wrote: »

the give away was the pit bull and the union jack hanging out of the window :eek:

you should travel the world and meet some people from different cultures and different races - you might learn something and appreciate them

On a friendly note, I have already.

America, Poland, Czech Republic.

Yes nice people. Besides the point though.

I found the Polish to be very old fashioned in their values. Very family orientated.

This will surprise you, I stayed with a host Polish family for 3 months lol. Learned alot but my immigration point of view still remains.

lostinrates

chucky wrote: »

you should travel the world and meet some people from different cultures and different races - you might learn something and appreciate them

In fact, is that not something worth preserving borders for? The idea of a world of same old same old , all shopping at tescos...its just too much for me.

vaporate

lostinrates wrote: »

In fact, is that not something worth preserving borders for? The idea of a world of same old same old , all shopping at tescos...its just too much for me.

I wish to further your point also.

Krakow in Poland has become the 2nd Prague in Poland.

Piekna city

Albeit with stag partys everywhere now though.

dawyldthing

A lot of schools have a 2 class entry, so very often there are differentiation and sets for SATs. You do only need a C at GCSE for both Maths and English, and either A-levels or an equilivant plus your degree. I wonder if the survey was done on a mixture of PGCE trainees and those that have done the 3 or 4 year Primary education degrees. I've been taught for the past 4 years the aspects of maths that i would teach to children from 3 through to 7, but also aspects upto age 11 as i'm a early years specialist. Throughout the course we have had standards we have had to pass in English, Maths and Science, as well as a lot of our other modules. SATs are one way of measuring the childs achievement, but then theres the Value Added Scores and the all round access to the curriculum, as its true not all children will like all areas of the curriculum, and this is where the EYFS comes in as it gives children an all round curriculum up to age 7, using different equipment to enable teaching that is relevant to the children.

I think that the teaching of the pupils is a mixed effort of the school and their parents. Both sides need to work with pupils to help them achieve their potential, as there is masses to cover in the national curriculum, but it it important that the children have an all round education.

Also a lot of secondary schools will take children in the early secondary school years (7-9 mostly) out of non-core lessons and give them catch up lessons in English and Maths to help their skills, and many do go on to achieve well at GCSE's.

I personally think that the curriculum, especially secondary, needs to be an all round curriculum, especially when it is compulsory to stay on until 18 years old. We need to be taught life skills such as money management, work ethic, more citzenship education, better computer skills and basic skills such as cooking (we had 3 cooking sessions in 5 years), fixing things and general DIY

aelitaman wrote: »

First off the parents have responibility but to say the schools do not is wrong.

If you had watched the Channel 4 dispatches on primary school teaching over the past 2 weeks then you would see the issues. They were focussing on maths teaching and SATS attainment. The simple fact is that if the kids are taught by a teacher whos maths is weak and you only need a Maths GSCE at C level to be a primary school teacher, then the kids maths will be weak. No rocket science there. C4 tested the maths of 196 primary school teachers by getting them to sit the SATS test that the primary school kids take. 1 teacher got 100% and very large percentage failed (I forget the actual percentage) then they asked the teachers if they liked Maths and a lot of the teachers said no. What hope have the kids got.

Then on the subject of the SATS test itself because it really only measures the percentage of kids that achieve and average level the goal of the school is to get pupils to achieve that level, so kids that are so far below the level needed the school has no incentive to better them because they will never get to the level required and so cannot affect the schools SATS ranking. Same with the smart kids who will easily achieve the level so they do not reach there potential either. The kids that get intensive focus are the kids just above the require SATS level so the school needs to make sure they pass and the kids just below the required SATS level as they have a chance of passing with intensive teaching.

All this system of SATS does is promote mediocracy and casts the kids that can not reach the level onto the scrapheap as when they go to secondary school they have no chance of understanding the maths being taught.

A smart govt would recongise this and insist that a dedicated maths teacher is installed in every primary school in the land to teach the 50mins of maths per day required to all the classes and stop the one teacher teaches all subjects. Then publish all sats results at the levels and compare to all schools across the land and measure the school on percentage top achievers, average and underachevers.

What is Bully Boy Balls doing, nothing. It is a disgrace.

Mary_Hartnell

It costs a fortune to educate our children.

If we have open borders we would get lots of immigrants from (say) Somalia.
(What education do they have - how to be a boy soldier?)

So are we wasting a fortune on our children or would the huddled uneducated masses reduce our quality of life.

You cannot have it both ways.

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Our little off shore island already has a dense and faster than ever in history rising population and rapidly diminishing natural resources.
We are no longer self sufficient in hydrocarbons.

Would doubling the population halve the natural resources available per head of population?
You don't have to be Norwegian to answer that one.

chucky

lostinrates wrote: »

In fact, is that not something worth preserving borders for? The idea of a world of same old same old , all shopping at tescos...its just too much for me.

i disagree

you could travel 100 miles in Europe and you will find a completely different culture.
you could travel 1000 miles in South East Asia and it feels like you haven't moved

it may be obvious but it surprised me