BBC1 The day the immigrants left

Mary_Hartnell

chucky wrote: »

i disagree

you could travel 100 miles in Europe and you will find a completely different culture.
you could travel 1000 miles in South East Asia and it feels like you haven't moved

it may be obvious but it surprised me

If you came here as a tourist from Asia, do you think you would pick up on the subtle differences between say Scotland and England?. Yorkshire, Devon and Lancashire?
The different bits of London?
(and long may they remain).

I find most peoples have the same interests under the surface, a lot of so called "culture" is an overlay to the important stages in life: Hatching, Matching & Despatching. You can have a conversation with almost anyone in the world under one of these three headings.

All I ask is: If you do come here don't try to impose funny religious mumbo jumbo on our secular society. Please indulge your medieval beliefs in the privacy of your own homes, not somewhere where they will scare the horses.

ninky_2

lostinrates wrote: »

In fact, is that not something worth preserving borders for? The idea of a world of same old same old , all shopping at tescos...its just too much for me.

but companies like tesco don't have to respect borders. global corporations are already allowed to spill over everywhere (a couple of places being the exception such as iran the only country i have been to with no mcdonalds but there's a heavy price to pay for that isolation). look atapple and the iPod. or even virtual products such as facebook.

foreigners are unlikely to keep their different ways whilst corporations don't have to keep to borders.

don't worry though LIR it's a pipedream i realise. and it couldn't happen unilaterally. i think an open europe is a step in the right direction. but even if britain were to open to the idea i think there are other countries that would be even harder to convince. india and pakistan as one example.

lostinrates

ninky wrote: »

. look atapple and the iPod. or even virtual products such as facebook..

I am worried though!

FWIW I used facebook for about 36 hours before confirming it was my idea of hell (and MSEer convinced me and I'm fond of that person so I tried but it felt contrived and artifical and I was using in a way that felt artificial) I ahve an Ipod (gift,,actually I have two bought for me as gifts and I can't use them.

blueboy43

chucky wrote: »

i disagree

you could travel 100 miles in Europe and you will find a completely different culture.
you could travel 1000 miles in South East Asia and it feels like you haven't moved

it may be obvious but it surprised me

This is nonsense, spent a fair amount of time in South East Asia albeit 20 years ago. North Thailand very different to the South, and both bear no similarity to Bangkok. Likewise Indonesia.

India can also be very different, for a start it depends on whether the area is mainly muslim, hindu or Sikh (Punjab), not too mention the difference between cities and countryside.

chucky

Mary_Hartnell wrote: »

If you came here as a tourist from Asia, do you think you would pick up on the subtle differences between say Scotland and England?. Yorkshire, Devon and Lancashire?
The different bits of London?
(and long may they remain).

I find most peoples have the same interests under the surface, a lot of so called "culture" is an overlay to the important stages in life: Hatching, Matching & Despatching. You can have a conversation with almost anyone in the world under one of these three headings.

All I ask is: If you do come here don't try to impose funny religious mumbo jumbo on our secular society. Please indulge your medieval beliefs in the privacy of your own homes, not somewhere where they will scare the horses.

no but you could tell the subtle differences between the UK and France :eek:

did you not know there are countries and cultures outside the UK?

chucky

blueboy43 wrote: »

This is nonsense, spent a fair amount of time in South East Asia albeit 20 years ago. North Thailand very different to the South, and both bear no similarity to Bangkok. Likewise Indonesia.

India can also be very different, for a start it depends on whether the area is mainly muslim, hindu or Sikh (Punjab), not too mention the difference between cities and countryside.

ok i exaggerated - lets do 500 miles then

India is a big place

lostinrates

fc123 wrote: »

I knew an illegal who was over here some years ago. He said 'the world is for everyone' and I see his,point. It's just random chance where one is born.

Yes, but its also random chance what body you are born into, what star sign your born under..and what bus hits you.

What isn't random chance is where you pay taxes and contribute to. Legal migration is, IMO, healthy.

ninky_2

lostinrates wrote: »

I am worried though!

FWIW I used facebook for about 36 hours before confirming it was my idea of hell (and MSEer convinced me and I'm fond of that person so I tried but it felt contrived and artifical and I was using in a way that felt artificial) I ahve an Ipod (gift,,actually I have two bought for me as gifts and I can't use them.

i use facebook but it's very different to being on here. there are things i feel i can say on here i would be very wary of posting on facebook. but i think that's maybe a different thread!

ninky_2

blueboy43 wrote: »

This is nonsense, spent a fair amount of time in South East Asia albeit 20 years ago. North Thailand very different to the South, and both bear no similarity to Bangkok. Likewise Indonesia.

India can also be very different, for a start it depends on whether the area is mainly muslim, hindu or Sikh (Punjab), not too mention the difference between cities and countryside.

but doesn't that just show places retain or lose their individual identity as a result of factors that have little to do with borders. if two cities in neighbouring countries can be quite similar whilst two cities in the same country can be quite different there are factors at play that have nothing to do with artificially imposed national borders.

lostinrates

ninky wrote: »

but doesn't that just show places retain or lose their individual identity as a result of factors that have little to do with borders. if two cities in neighbouring countries can be quite similar whilst two cities in the same country can be quite different there are factors at play that have nothing to do with artificially imposed national borders.

Many many towns, in many cultures the origin of the name of the ''places'' ...and there are more than country borders, country, town, villages....mean...place of the people that live there/founded there.

Its more complex than either ''side'' are portraying fully IMO.