BBC1 The day the immigrants left

Davesnave

pingu2209 wrote: »

Young people are looking for the jobs that have the ability to earn a decent wage after a few years.

If they have no qualifications, skills or experience to offer then they will be 'looking' for a long time!

This is what I meant in my earlier post when I implied that the kind & undemanding world of education eventually drops youngsters head-first into the harsher realities of Real Life Land. Ultimately, it does them no favours.

Snakeeyes21

pingu2209 wrote: »

b) young people without a family or own home realise that minimum wage jobs will never enable them to afford a family or own home. It is not like the minimum wage jobs have an obvious career path where they will eventually earn more money to afford a family and home.

thanks for your words of wisdom. your not an MP are you? you seem out of touch with reality.

sorry I must dash, I have a busy morning ahead, I have to inform the majority of the people I know that they simply cant afford their mortgages or afford to bring up their sprogs because they are in minimum wage jobs.

The_White_Horse

the point is, if you can work and you don't - you should get NOTHING from the Govt. You should lose all child benefit, everything.

Lets see how long these workshy scumbags refuse to work then.

They don't work because they don't have to.

They don't have to because of bleeding heart liberal idiots who have provided the choice of work and pay tax and struggle or don't work and get by just as well.

Stupid lefties.

ruggedtoast

I found this programme a bit of a wasted opportunity because it failed completely to address the real context of the participants.

The Brits were, obviously, very low skilled, and poorly motivated. Even the ones that weren't poorly motivated, like the two blokes in the potato factory, were apparently unable to reliably count higher than the number of their fingers. .

They're pitting them against people who by definition of being economic migrants are very highly motivated, have zero job security, as well as often being well educated.

The other important difference is that they are not being paid the same in PPP. Most economic migrants will (even if they stay forever) intend to be going home at some point.

They work very hard, spend very little on themselves, and send every available penny back home where they know it will afford them a lot more purchasing power than it will here. They are having a tough time but they know it'll be temporary and will afford them a lot of benefit when its over.

This is not at all the same as someone who is looking at doing that job on that wage, with only the UK to spend it in for, probably, the rest of their working life.

I'm sure there are plenty of demotivated unskilled people in Poland, who find the prospect of doing a tough boring job for only enough Zlotys (or whatever they get) per hour to buy a pint of beer; as demotivating as their British counterparts.

I'm not condoning the workshy benefit culture or sense of undue entitlement that infests a certain strata of our society, but I dont think they were comparing like for like here.

Butterfly_Brain

If we have so many unskilled workers in this country that means the schools are failing an awful lot of future tax payers

lemonjelly

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

If we have so many unskilled workers in this country that means the schools are failing an awful lot of future tax payers

Whoa there!

Here is a prime case in point in my view.

Why is it the schools fault?

Where is the responsibility of the parents, who have the kids & raise them & spend a helluva lot more time with them than schools.

We spend far too much time looking for someone to blame, rather than accept responsibility & fixing it.

Bonia77

Jemonjelly, well said!

Lack of any aspiration or even common sense shown was a bit scary :eek:

Also, I'm wondering if anyone complaining about the Polish/Portugese taken these poor guys' job will actually hire them. I definietely won't!

IMHI it wasn't about lack of skill, it was much more about non-existant work ethics or willingnesss to better yourself

Rochdale_Pioneers

We have a problem of a number of school leavers coming out of schools with poor numeracy and literacy. They blame is with those people and with their parents - not the schools. Unless the majority of kids - or anywhere near it - come out of those schools without basic skills, then its clear that the schools are completely competent at teaching.

Some people don't want to learn. That gives them basically three options - crime, dole or poor jobs. What we need to do is make dole no longer a viable option. Thats NOT to scrap JSA or cut the money available. But it needs to be better targeted.

I heard Frank Field on the radio yesterday with a very sensible idea. The government have launched a job guarantee. Young people will be guaranteed a job within 6 months. If they've been unable to find work in that time they won't get much of a choice in what job, but beggers can't be choosers. Field's suggestion is this - if people don't take the job offered to them, or drop out quickly, take their benefits off them.

A job - any job - is better than the dole. If you have a family to maintain it becomes harder to get one that pays enough, but the principle still applies. For the young who have no commitments thats not an issue - either work, or get your parents to pay for your sloth. Why should the rest of us who graft have to do it?

avantra

Davesnave wrote: »

If they have no qualifications, skills or experience to offer then they will be 'looking' for a long time!

This is what I meant in my earlier post when I implied that the kind & undemanding world of education eventually drops youngsters head-first into the harsher realities of Real Life Land. Ultimately, it does them no favours.

Even the queen took a job in MickyD according to your avatar. That's what I call COPING. :rotfl:

aelitaman

First off the parents have responibility but to say the schools do not is wrong.

If you had watched the Channel 4 dispatches on primary school teaching over the past 2 weeks then you would see the issues. They were focussing on maths teaching and SATS attainment. The simple fact is that if the kids are taught by a teacher whos maths is weak and you only need a Maths GSCE at C level to be a primary school teacher, then the kids maths will be weak. No rocket science there. C4 tested the maths of 196 primary school teachers by getting them to sit the SATS test that the primary school kids take. 1 teacher got 100% and very large percentage failed (I forget the actual percentage) then they asked the teachers if they liked Maths and a lot of the teachers said no. What hope have the kids got.

Then on the subject of the SATS test itself because it really only measures the percentage of kids that achieve and average level the goal of the school is to get pupils to achieve that level, so kids that are so far below the level needed the school has no incentive to better them because they will never get to the level required and so cannot affect the schools SATS ranking. Same with the smart kids who will easily achieve the level so they do not reach there potential either. The kids that get intensive focus are the kids just above the require SATS level so the school needs to make sure they pass and the kids just below the required SATS level as they have a chance of passing with intensive teaching.

All this system of SATS does is promote mediocracy and casts the kids that can not reach the level onto the scrapheap as when they go to secondary school they have no chance of understanding the maths being taught.

A smart govt would recongise this and insist that a dedicated maths teacher is installed in every primary school in the land to teach the 50mins of maths per day required to all the classes and stop the one teacher teaches all subjects. Then publish all sats results at the levels and compare to all schools across the land and measure the school on percentage top achievers, average and underachevers.

What is Bully Boy Balls doing, nothing. It is a disgrace.