'Should Hilary buy Chelsea's fags for her?' Money Moral Dilemma

before_hollywood

i hate smoking and no-one is allowed to smoke inside my house

but..............

i am an adult, so are you, i dont have to like what you do, but its your life and your decision

Bobl

Smoking in a house with children present is child cruelty. It should be illegal, although enforcing it would be difficult. Only complete idiots smoke around children.

Paul_Herring

Smoking in a house with children present is child cruelty.

No it's not. Stop it with the hyperbole.

Starving your kids to death because they won't say "Amen" or palming them off onto your friends for them to kill is child cruelty.

Bobl

I take you smoke around children then!

Paul_Herring

Bobl wrote: »

I take you smoke around children then!

Not at all. In fact I don't smoke in other people's houses.

Cloudane

Some facts and figures on the impact of passive smoking around children:
http://old.ash.org.uk/html/passive/html/kidsbrief.html

Unless things have changed in the past 4 years, it's damaging to them. Given how extremely protective most parents are about their kids (bordering on ridiculousness sometimes) it just seems a bit hypocritical and selfish to do something around them that is known to significantly increase the risk of things like asthma. But I suppose it does fit the "me me me, sod everyone else" mentality of some (not all) smokers.

I'm not going to argue back and forth though. Opinions as strong as those shown here can't be swayed so it'd just turn into a classic internet flame war. I've said my bit and agree to disagree.

donglefan

More important than money saving is being a good parent, part of which involves consistent behaviour and setting an example you feel comfortable with.

Paul_Herring

Cloudane wrote: »

Some facts and figures on the impact of passive smoking around children:
http://old.ash.org.uk/html/passive/html/kidsbrief.html

You're seriously linking to the fake-charity tasked with discriminating against smokers, and are expecting unbiased advice and for them not to cherry pick their studies? :rotfl: Tell me it ain't so.

We'll be getting links to the holy grail of 'third hand smoke' next. Or blaming AGW on smoking.

Lets try some more cherry picking - this time the other way. The British Medical Journal:

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/326/7398/1057

Conclusions: The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.

Or a meta-study on the studies that look at 'second hand smoke': http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv30n1/v30n1-5.pdf

It is no surprise, therefore, that different studies have produced contrasting results. Of the 75 published studies of ets and lung cancer, some 70 percent did not report statistically significant differences of risk and are moot. Roughly 17 percent claim an increased risk, and 13 percent imply a reduction of risk. Thus, reported studies do not offer consistent results, and overall cannot be interpreted for or against risk.

JayD

You can't live their lives for them and you can't make their choices for them.
You can only hope that they will come round to see sense in their own time - and sadly, despite all her justified concerns about her grandson's health - there is nothing Hilary can do to force any issues. Billy might be able to though, when he is a bit older.

I think Hilary does have the right, however, to stand on her own principles and say (as I do to my granddaughter), "I am sorry, I cannot bring myself to buy something for you that I know could eventually kill you - I love you too much and I just can't do it." I don't moralise or preach or lecture. How she spends her money and steers her own life, is her business.

So, no, I don't think Hilary should buy her daughter cheap cigarettes while she is in Spain.