£813 for 42" High Definition Plasma, top brand company (albeit not in Plasmas!)

curtlyb

This offer has been highlighted on the forum as a potential bargain.

Unless people own one of these Fujitsu Siemens or have seen one of these Plasmas operating in the flesh then they have no right to cast an opinion about its performance, end of.

The avforums link is an excellent read and had one purchaser complaining that moving text on this model was blurring, the vultures immediately gathered declaring the plasma's image processor to be inferior, old spec and struggling to cope, some smart fellow then realised the guy had switched a 'film mode' option ON by accident, when switched back to default the text was perfect. The knowledgable vultures quickly dispersed.............

I for one have bought one, i've previously spent hours in various AV shops, hassling assistants and viewing different models and, in my opinion, this model is excellent and comparible to models in the £1000 to £1600 bracket. No, its not a rolls royce but doesn't cost £1800 either and it is fully featured (doesn't require any extra plugin expansion boards @ £100 a throw). All but the perfectionists will be well satisfied with this piece of AV equipment, and I'VE WATCHED IT AND SEEN IT OPERATING

Which highly regarded AV magazine once declared 45p/metre 2.5mmsq Mains cable from B&Q gave a better sound than £13/meter QED professional speaker cable

Forget the arguments, Have a watch, see for yourself, make your own mind up:T

SaleHunter

My reason for taking such exception to your comments (and my staunch position) is based on the reality that these boards are mainly populated by average joes like myself. People become frightened to post when they see continual over-critical comments (and I felt yours were) on offers by others "in the know", in fear that they too may recieve such a response.

The T.V. is a genuine bargain, worthy of a place on the grabbit board (as the secret URL may be withdrawn if discovered by Nice PC) of good build quality from a reputable manufacturer, but may be missing some features of the top of the range equipment on the market.

Is that a balanced compromise?

Lord_Chris

lol.. this has been so much fun to read... childish and pathetic comments aside... such a fantastic read, i just felt compelled to join in. To save me the hassle of writing sentences, i'll just summarise for those of you as lazy as me:

1) Smashed... maybe he didn't put FJS in the title because he knew people like you would instantly dismiss this, or other people with preconceptions of the brand would do the same; so to get them a good deal, he would get them to read about it before mentioning the brand.

2) Smashed (again)... you claim FJS aren't a 'top' brand... well i'm inclined to agree with hank on this.. they could well be a top brand (personally wouldn't know, but better than below). Fujitsu, great, Siemens, great (unless you have one of their freeview boxes :@)..as has been stated, no company is dumb enough to risk their reputation by shipping crap.

3) smashed (yet again)... continued from above - lets put some perspective on this... these are CRAP tv's (below_... granted, from Woolworths (chills) but i doubt you will find these anywhere else. Nobody in their right mind would group an FJS plasma in with these:

Beko 42" Plasma - £849.99
Daewoo (since you were on cars earlier) 42" Plasma - £999

and even then, we go for a slightly better make, a Phillips 42" Plasma, as Hank claimed... over £1000 more at £1,899 (here)

so in comparrison... for this price range, FJS is definetly a TOP BRAND... whether they are overall i cannot comment because i havent got an FJS plasma, and neither have you Smashed, so why not accept from Hank SOMEONE WHO HAS GOT AN FJS PLASMA do the commenting... because your claim of them not being a top brand is based on one thing... your preconceptions.

smashed

Mate, its quite simple. If he had put fujitsu-siemens in the title, there would be no argument. Its not my preconceptions, if this was a top brand they could charge top price ;o) Sony wouldnt put it up for £900 because they are a top brand and can charge top price.

And if you read my posts again you will see that I am not saying this is a rubbish brand, im just saying it is not a TOP BRAND. How much clearer can I make this for you?

And by all accounts I am far from a geek. I wouldnt even buy a plasma full stop to be honest.

There are always some people who dont want help, who dont want to be told that their pride and joy isnt as great as they want to believe. There are some people who want to pay £900 on a TV without a proper review, or no idea if it is any good. These people cant really be helped, or just dont want to be

If you can find a post where I called this TV rubbish, then you can have my TV for free I merely countered that the title is misleading, which it is.

Roger_Rampant

To satisfy the (numerous) pedants on here, perhaps my subject title should have read...

"£813 for 42" High Definition Plasma - top brand but NOT in the field of Plasma Televisions!!!

It certainly wouldn't have satisfied this pedant. If you asked most people what the top consumer electronics companies in the world were, I think a lot of them would admit that they have never even heard of this company. Therefore (as someone else pointed out earlier) you would find it much harder to sell this product on than you would one with a well-recognised name, such as Panasonic

HankMcSpank

Meeten wrote:

this ia a pure comedy thread ... i haven't had such a laff for ages.

at the end of the day, people can google FJC and see if it constitutes a 'top-brand' and decide for themsleves.

i think that the tv is a good deal, however, i am going for the Panny at a higher cost, because i want the comfort of a 5yr warranty that comes with buying form JL. And no, I WILL NOT be paying their price for it, but will be getting it price matched from the likes of

http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/content/products/details/index~modelcode~PAN-TH42PX60CAB.htm
empire direct.

or

http://www.prcdirect.co.uk/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=TH42PX60ped&SID=4452a45f2635ce90ef3a86070c396eb2
prc direct.

Thanks to the OP for letting people know that there is a 42" HD out there for a (relatively) low price. :beer:

Not a bad choice *however* (you knew I wouldn't let it lie!)....

Panny has fans (some say noisy) FJS is passively cooled - totally quiet.

Panny has been beaten with an ugly stick...check out that larger clunky bezel...eeewh.

That said, the Panny has a higher number of colours & a freeview tuner thrown in.

"You pays your money" (at least £500 more for the Panny you're after!) ...."& you makes your choice I guess!"

personally I couldn't live with fan noise for the privilege of shelling out an extra 500 quid & group hugging with the Baz & Smashed crew!

HankMcSpank

Roger_Rampant wrote:

It certainly wouldn't have satisfied this pedant. If you asked most people what the top consumer electronics companies in the world were, I think a lot of them would admit that they have never even heard of this company. Therefore (as someone else pointed out earlier) you would find it much harder to sell this product on than you would one with a well-recognised name, such as Panasonic

Yeah I guess it would be difficult for most people to make the connection.

Fujitsu (MASSIVE parent company) & Siemens (MASSIVE parent Company)...minnows in the global pond eh?! It's probably the hyphen in the middle of their collaborative company name that completely throws all those who shop at Dixons ...... Fujitsu-Siemens .......& therefore rightly diminshes their brand to that of the "Tiny Computers" ilk. !!!!!

Meeten

HankMcSpank wrote:

Not a bad choice *however* (you knew I wouldn't let it lie!)....

Panny has fans (some say noisy) FJS is passively cooled - totally quiet.

Panny has been beaten with an ugly stick...check out that larger clunky bezel...eeewh.

That said, the Panny has a higher number of colours & a freeview tuner thrown in.

"You pays your money" (at least £500 more for the Panny you're after!) ...."& you makes your choice I guess!"

personally I couldn't live with fan noise for the privilege of shelling out an extra 500 quid & group hugging with the Baz & Smashed crew!

point taken re: fan noise, but i normally have th evolume turned on when i view tv ... w'out taking it too OT, I will be hooking it up to a SCH855 home cinema as well, so i am sure that will drown out any fan noise that may be there.

As for the stand ... hmmm ... it well n truly hit every branch of the ugly tree, but fortunately, i am going for the PED version as opposed to CAB :j

As for the group hug .... hhhmmm .... sure they are all nice people, but i think that i will refrain on this ocassion :undecided

TheoP_2

Well Well, I am on Hanks side, because he is 100% correct. I think this is a rant ... but there is a point.

First off, you can just imagine all the people who are negative about the FSC unit on the basis of brand snobbery (inverted perhaps) and technophilia (is that a word?) sitting at home watching, not a £3K Sony / Panny / etc, but a 28" CRT. Still they are happy to impugn the decisions of others with no more platform of reference other than misinterpreted facts, and more probably, supposition, rather than wisdom of experience and knowledge. Some people just can't accept that other people have made a good decision, and can't see that spending 2 or 3 times more money to get an extra few percent of 'subjective' performance is perhaps not paramount to, in this case, Hank's needs. It is the same as the self professed oracles who 'rubbish' the purchases of everyone, because 'the one they would have bought would have had more, been bigger, been better... ad nauseum'.

So, to all the people who so this brand is better, and FS is poor, have they considered for a second that maybe, just maybe, some of those brands don't always make the goods they think are so good? Almost all the laptops and PCs are made by the same few companies! With few and rare exceptions, 'IF' you opened a PC or TV, you then see how many parts are made by the logo on the front. More often than not, none. Not even the logo.

I smile inwardly when I hear people say ' I don't buy brand X, I only buy machines Y make' because they are the best or whatever. For instance not so long ago Acer built or supplied the guts of Servers, Laptops, PCs, Screens, CDROMS, etc., for about 8 of the top ten PC companies. That includes HP, Apple, IBM, Dell, Panasonic, Philips, both Fujitsu and Siemens and not to mention all the 'also rans'. It is the same, perhaps less so with large specialist items like TVs, but still palys a part in-so-much that many components are made by the same guys. It is called OEM, it is everywhere. So the snobs who rave about brand value may want to look beyond the book covers.

The screen on the FSC is a Samsung. It looks fantastic, or more accurately, the picture displayed does. You really need 1024x768 at 42". But equally you need a good quality feed. Yes it still makes a bog standard SKY picture look breat, but to really appreciate it you need to feed it well. How Sky are going to handle the bandwith demands is another question. Doesn't anyone else out there detest the digital artifacts and blockiness of the poor frame rate transmitted? The bandwidth isn't enough, and HD will place a demand many times higher. Will get get great stills, but bad frame transitions? HD DVD may be the ONLY way to get the feed you need (poetic) into your life like TV.

In my humble opinion, it is all about cost justification. Without doubt, there are better quality, sounding, reacting, looking (I disagree here), featured, etc., TVs out there. But are they £2000, £1000, or even £200 better? You can buy 2 or 3 FSC plasmas for the same price as some, put them together and get 3072 x 768 resolution, now that is wide!

OK, the company I work for bought 8 of the 42" and 8 of the 32" from Nice PC last week. They are all sold on already. They are the best looking case/frame I have seen, it is so compact it makes them look smaller than they are, so you can get a bigger one! No big surround and huge speakers. So it isn't so overpowering in your room. It is all metal, no plastic. Sounds industrial but looks very modern and minimalist. The definition on both screens is first class, I have been to Dixons, Lakes, John Lewis and seen a lot of screens. Argue all you want, these are up there with the best, punching above their price. Bear in mind, when they are gone at this price they will go up again. No, I don't work for Nice and I am not going to advertise who I do work for as we are trade only anyway.

Be gentle with me...

Roger_Rampant

You both still seem to be missing the point (somewhat deliberately, I suspect). It was claimed in the title that this was a top brand. It isn't a top brand. This will affect the value and ease of sale when you want to sell it on

Regardless of the size of Siemens or Fujitsu, regardless of the quality of this product, it isn't a top brand. Ask people the top consumer electronics brands, I can guarantee that very few people will mention this brand. Ipod is a big name but many knowledgeable people would claim that Creative Zen products offer infinitely better value for money, however that doesn't change the reality that Ipod is still the leading brand

As far as I can tell the only reason for the OP claiming that this is a top brand is to do with their ego, having bought one of these TVs themselves

Of course that doesn't change the fact that this is a great bargain, and certainly deserves to be posted here in this forum