Lush...urghhh

OnTheUp_2-2

ohh maybe you can advise the best ingredients then for someone who has dry skin but break out easily.. its so annoying to be a combination of both of these!!

Fen1

Just in case anyone is interested, the following ingredients are also derived from Palm:


Sodium Laureth Sulphate (Can also be from coconut)
Sodium Lauryl Sulphates (can also be from ricinus oil)
Sodium dodecyl Sulphate (SDS or NaDS)
Palmate
Palm Oil Kernal
Palmitate
Cosmetics
Elaeis Guineensis
Glyceryl Stearate
Stearic Acid
Chemicals which contain palm oil
Steareth -2
Steareth -20
Sodium Lauryl Sulphate
Sodium lauryl sulfoacetate (coconut and/or palm)
Hydrated palm glycerides
Sodium isostearoyl lactylaye (derived from vegetable stearic acid)
Cetyl palmitate and octyl palmitate (and anything with palmitate at the end)


This list was taken from http://dkgreenroots.com/
Much of this can be cross-referenced with Greenpeace, and the Orangutan Foundation : http://www.orangutan.org.uk/

OnTheUp_2-2

voiceofreason wrote: »

Make your mind up.

Either you know the score about Lush already and are well switched-on, or you're not, and you need their sales advice.

Who said I knew everything???? I have my own ideals that i like to follow.. that doesnt mean I know the ins and outs of peoples businesses, why on earth have you made that assumption??

Its always nice to be guided by staff, i am not stupid for expecting to be correctly informed lmao


Such silly comments somtimes, really

OnTheUp_2-2

thanks for the info Fen1

:-))

blackribbongirl

well, I worked for lush for a fairly long time,... so i might be slightly biast in my answer here because i love it! :P
But we had quite a lot of people come in and complain about this topic,... and i always have to think to myself how do these people live if they worry about chemicals so much? EVERYTHING has chemicals like SLS in,.... what do you wash your clothes with? what do you brush your teeth with? what do you wash dishes with? - take a look at the ingredients list on some of those things!!!
Also, i think i would much rather worry about some of the so called "safe" chemicals being used in our food and drink products that we are all INGESTING, rather than something that i will put onto my hair and wash out in 30 seconds.
Not that there is anything wrong with trying to find more natural products/enviromentally friendly ways of living, but if you believe everything you read about how every single thing nowdays gives you cancer then hey,.... looks like no ones living very long!

If you look closely you will notice that Lush's advertising/wording is very clever. They do not state that they are a 100% natural company (they state that they use "safe, long tested chemicals in minimal amounts) and do at no point claim that they are organic (they buy organic materials if they are available). Also, lush actually use around 1% presevative (parabens) - legally they do not have to include this on the labels, but they do because they choose to. LEGALLY they could advertise as having no presevative at all.
....another little note on that,... all the other brands of "natural" cosmetics are going to be using some preservative if they contain water. So if the label says "paraben free" don't assume its preservative free too. AND that preservative in there might be a new one, which is not as well tested and may be worse for you than the parabens.
Also, some of the synthetic fragrances are used due to a confliction of intrests, for example synthetic musk is used because real musk scent involves the use of animals which is strictly against Lush's policy.
Sorry, im getting carried away, its an intresting debate. I think making your own would be the best way to go to ensure you know whats going in it...

mippy

I would rather give my money to someone supporting Plane Stupid (who I don't personally support - I have mixed views on air travel but that's for another thread) than to, say, Brian Soutar, whose Stagecoach bus service hold a monopoly on large areas of the country and the revenues used to fund homophobic initiatives. Or companies that test on animals - completely unnecessary for cosmetics. anyway.

I find Lush's Baby Face an excellent cleanser - easily comparable to Clarins or other expensive brands.

johnsons_baby

I do like Lush but as I've grown older, my skin doesn't, unfortunately

mippy

"My point remains the same. The staff are full of crap and would even other their right arm if you were prepared to buy it. The shop gives you an instant headache and the ethos they portray is not quite as it really is."

Two companies bad for the latter are The Body Shop (corporate, owned by reknowned bunny-killers L'Oreal) and Pret (owned by McDonalds, advertise their food as 'chemical-free' which is actually impossible.)

Swan_2

oh, a lot of interesting issues raised here ... but, addressing only one, the smell

my daughter works for Lush now & again between contracts, & when I complained to her about the overpowering smell of the shop, she asked me what I imagined the likes of say, Boots, would smell like if the majority of their products were on display unpackaged? _pale_

williham

mippy wrote: »

Pret (owned by McDonalds, advertise their food as 'chemical-free' which is actually impossible.)

Pret isn't and never was 'owned' by McDonalds, they just bought a 33% stake in 2001 which has since been sold.