Feed In Tariffs(FIT) Announced.

Cardew

daytona600 wrote: »

£8-12k will get you a whole church roof full of solar panels
40 x 185wp about 7kwp or 52 metres square metres for under £12k
mcs certified pv panels
for grants and fit feed in tarrifs
just shop around
and will offer payback of about 8years or less

For someone who supposedly owns a solar company, you really talk absolute nonsense about solar/wind etc - as perusal of your past posts will show.

yes cardew i own a solar power scompany

just trying to state the fact that solar is percieved to be expensive by the man in the street

this is not the case

just some suppliers in the uk over-charge by large amounts

if i can help save people several thousands per system
over some of the quoted prices on this forum
i have been in electrical distribution for 2 decades
and pass on direct factory prices and bulk buying

i hope saving the uk consumer is not seem as spam

There are quite a few people who have done quite a bit of research on this subject, and your post are totally unhelpful.

So just what is your involvement with the solar/wind industry? Are you an acredited installer?

What company do you own?

PM the details to me if you wish and I will check you out and post back here.

savemoney

I got that from energy saving trust, I thought it was a lot too

daytona600 wrote: »

£8-12k will get you a whole church roof full of solar panels
40 x 185wp about 7kwp or 52 metres square metres for under £12k
mcs certified pv panels
for grants and fit feed in tarrifs
just shop around
and will offer payback of about 8years or less

Costs for installing a solar electricity system vary a lot - an average system costs between £8,000 and £14,000, depending on its size and type.

http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Generate-your-own-energy/Solar-electricity

Cardew

daytona600 is I believe connected with this lot:

http://www.microgeneration.org/

He comes out with gems on MSE like "solar electricity can provide your heating for under £1,000!"

have you thought off micro solar electric system
under £1000 to provide your heating

michael.street

A_fiend_for_life wrote: »

You'll find MCS certified installers here:


Thanks for the reply, but it's not installers I want but details of feed-in tariffs offered by the electricity companies in West Yorkshire. Their websites seem to show nothing and my searches on the net all come up with only vague figures. I want to know what is actually available for me if/when I have my PV panels on the roof. I have an installer through the local governemnt scheme providing my loan.

Cardew

michael.street wrote: »

A_fiend_for_life wrote: »

You'll find MCS certified installers here:


Thanks for the reply, but it's not installers I want but details of feed-in tariffs offered by the electricity companies in West Yorkshire. Their websites seem to show nothing and my searches on the net all come up with only vague figures. I want to know what is actually available for me if/when I have my PV panels on the roof. I have an installer through the local governemnt scheme providing my loan.

The FITs are standard across UK I believe - as shown in the link I gave in the first post. 41.3p/kWh for retrofit installations of less than 4kW.

You get:

The FIT for all electricity generated.

You can use as much of the generated electricity as you can and thus reduce your bill.

You sell your excess energy to your supplier - I believe the going rate is 5p/kWh.

michael.street

Cardew wrote: »

michael.street wrote: »

The FITs are standard across UK I believe - as shown in the link I gave in the first post. 41.3p/kWh for retrofit installations of less than 4kW.

You get:

The FIT for all electricity generated.

You can use as much of the generated electricity as you can and thus reduce your bill.

You sell your excess energy to your supplier - I believe the going rate is 5p/kWh.

Many thanks. That clarifies things. It's the last bit - selling any excess energy that I was unclear about. I suppose it may only be at the height of summer when on holiday that this may be relevant! I'll see what my prospective installer has to say next week. Thank you again.

Lotus-eater

Does anyone know how long these are guaranteed for?

What about if you get all the gear and then two years down the line, they withdraw the FIT's?

A_fiend_for_life

michael.street wrote: »

I'm in the process of applying for grant/funding to install PV solar panels. I am on a fixed online 'normal' dual tariff at the moment with Scottish Power but I cannot find any useful hard detailed information about suppliers in West Yorkshire and feed-in tariffs which would apply to me. Can anyone direct me to a source of this information? My installer is coming next week to do an installation survey but I'd like to research this myself in addition to getting his ideas.

Mike

I took this as meaning you were looking for a second opinion from other certified installers.

Anyway I see what your saying and your question's been answered.

Cardew

Lotus-eater wrote: »

Does anyone know how long these are guaranteed for?

What about if you get all the gear and then two years down the line, they withdraw the FIT's?

FITs to an approved system are guaranteed for 25 years.

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There are 3 elements of income you can derive from your renewable energy installation (be it Wind,PV,Hydro, AD or CHP) under the FITs. i.e this is for equipment that generates electricity. Providing it passes the vote this month it will come into UK legislation on 1st April 2010.

A good example would be a PV system (as everbody could do it) although my specialist area is wind.

A sub 4kW PV system as already stated in this forum will receive on an existing house 41.3 pence per kWh for its generation.

A typical "good quality" 4kW system will probably generate around 3300 kwh of electricity in a year. (i.e a 1kW installed system will produce at best 825 kWh per annum, if it is south facing and at a 30 degree angle with a *monocrystalline panel).

So you will be paid the FIT (or generation element) of 3300 x 41.3 pence = £1,362.90.

THE FIT of 41.3 p will be indexed linked against inflation for the next 25 years. So if inflation is 2% in 2010-2011 you will then receive 42.12 p per kWh etc.

ON TOP OF THIS

you can then either use the generation or export it.

The BEST VALUE is to try and use what you generate. If you use all your generation (and you currently pay c. 12 pence per kWh) you will save 3300 x 12 pence off your electricity bill = £399.60 per annum.

Your total benefit on an annual basis will then be £1,762.50.

If however (as the case is more likely to be) you cannot use all your generation, you will need to "export" the balance. The export value is 3 pence per kWh not the 5 pence mentioned in this post earlier (it was proposed at 5 pence in the consulation by the Gov in July 2009 - but has been reduced).

However this export price will also be indexed linked.

The likely scenario is then as follows.

3300 kWh generation = £1,362.90. (will rise by inflation every year)
2000 kWh on site use = £240 (will probably rise by much more than inflation every year)
1300 kWh export = £39 (will rise by inflation every year)

The above assumes that you can only consume xx%. There will be plenty of times that you are not at home, using electricity, i.e work, holidays etc etc. In fact the above is probably optimistic and is more likely to be the other way around. i.e you export 2000 and use 1300.

The index linking is important as it will stop the value of the subsidy eroding over time. The FITs for PV are guaranteed for 25 years (other technology only for 20 years).

PV costs will vary by a huge amount. A domestic installation of a good quality panel may well cost c. £4,500 per kW installed. I have seen prices as low as £2,700 per kW installed for very large 500kW+ systems in commercial applications.

These prices are for *monocrystalline which have the highest efficiency and lowest degradation of output over their life time. Cheaper panels are available, but their efficiency will be less. You need to balance the cost VS efficiency.

I am not going to calculate returns (I have seen, read and argued all the posts on this forum about it). However I am now advising my clients (I work for a comercial property consultancy company) to consider PV as payback time scales will just about tip below 10 years, when previously at best it was 12-14 years.

For those that are interested, with the right wind turbine, on the right site I have seen "real" payback figures of 5 years, but this is not for domestic type machines, rather small scale 10kW plus turbines. BTW this is a traditional horizontal axis wind turbine, not a Vertical Axis Wind turbine - which DO NOT COMMERCIALLY payback, as all the sharks who are selling them state they do (right I've had my rant, so onwards and upwards...)

Heat generating equipment, i.e Biomass, Heat Pumps, Solar Thermal etc will be covered under the RHI "renewable heat incentive" for which the Gov. published its consultation doc on the 1st Feb. This will not come into force until April 2011

The opinions stated above are my own. They are however given without any bias. My role is as a professional consultant and as such I will tell my clients as it is. That means even if they want a certain piece of technology and I cannot get the figures to add up, I will tell them "don't".

On the other hand, if they have the wind, the sun, or the water course, then I will advise them appropriately utilising discounted cash flow analysis to demonstrate the "actual returns". Oh yes and only on the basis that the technology selected has "real" and "demonstrated" outputs. NOT PREDICTED AND THEORETICAL like so many companies talk about.

Have fun and choose your technology carefully.


Oh yes and before you do any of the above, please remember to switch off your lights 1st... Its more cost efficient to save than to generate.........