Lose Weight 7

margarete_2

Hi Lois Lane

Calorie counting and advice about increasing exercise and reducing fat and carbohydrate intake to reduce obesity are ineffective, counter-productive and often damaging. - See the article in the British Medical Journal of November 2003 http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/327/7423/1085 for actual research on what happens when this advice is followed! - Over 800 obese adults were put on energy deficit diets, given diet sheets and plenty of instruction and help from trained staff, and apparently, visited fortnightly for a year, at the end of which they had GAINED weight! This mirrors the real experience of obese people, viz. - dieting makes you fat.

Most obese people who make a serious effort to reduce salt/sodium intake and give up the calorie reduction game lose about a stone in the first month.

Suggs

consultant31 wrote:

Many thanks Suggs I always thought I was a Terry's old girl, now I'm told I'm an old git!!!!! You can go off people :rotfl:

Mind you it could also mean "Terry's Old Gold" But sounds too much like a Chocolate to me

I could go for a gaint Choc Chip Cookie right now though.

Eels100

Suggs wrote:

I could go for a gaint Choc Chip Cookie right now though.

SHUT UP! :rotfl:

Well I've been mediocre the last couple of days, starting out well but slipping a bit towards the end of the day . However, I gave up beating myself up about it because if I think back to how I used to eat and how I used to do NO exercise, I'm STILL doing better than I was before!

Got my new TaeBo DVD yesterday and tried the 'basic' workout this morning. It's taken me an hour to recover to the extent that I can post :rotfl: ... was knackered! It's quite difficult to follow some of it (I have extremely dicey coordination) but it's so much fun and it feels like my arms are getting a great workout (bingo-wings ahoy!).

When I recover full function in my legs I'm going to take the dogs to the beach with OH for some fun and then we'll see what happens. Want to come back in time to get the to greengrocer and stock up on tasty things for this week to come. Happy losing!

consultant31

Lois_Lane wrote:

I'll be taking this with a very large pinch of salt!

Not literally though, as I've been cutting down the amount of salt I eat for over a year and it hasn't made a scrap of difference to my weight. If you follow the link there's information on the website stating that there's no scientific evidence to suggest that eating too many calories causes obesity, or that reducing calories results in weight loss, which is quite radical thinking and would be more believable if it was backed up with some evidence based on proper scientific trials, rather than anecdotal evidence.

What do others think?

LL

Well, it seems that the scientists and nutritionists have been wasting their time all these years working out the link between obesity and the consumption of calories, so get stuck in to those chocolate bars and cream cakes girls, just be sure not to sprinkle salt on them :rotfl:

I stopped having a salt-pot on the table about a year ago (though I still put it in cooking), but it wasn't for our weight, it was for our hearts. Yes, there's a link between salt and water retention, but it's excess calories that put on weight (ie fat)

consultant31

:bdaycake: Happy Birthday tomorrow Moira, have a lovely day and I hope the cold is on the way out.

I'm sorry Margarete, but if those people put weight on it's because they didn't follow their diet plan effectively.
There has always been a school of thought that "dieting makes you fat", but it's generally accepted that it's because the people who dieted, deprived themselves over a period of time in order to lose weight, and then when the diet ended, they went back to their normal eating habits (the ones that made them fat in the first place).
Diets aren't any good.............because you go "on" a diet, which pre-supposes that at some point, you'll come "off" it.
That's why we, on this thread, know the only way to lose weigh effectively and keep it off, is to change your lifestyle, which includes shopping, cooking and eating healthily, which, in turn, includes having less salt, less fat, less sugar etc etc.

margarete_2

consultant31 wrote:

Well, it seems that the scientists and nutritionists have been wasting their time all these years working out the link between obesity and the consumption of calories, so get stuck in to theose chocolate bars and cream cakes girls, just be sure not to sprinkle salt on them :rotfl:

Exactly so.

consultant31 wrote:

Yes, there's a link between salt and water retention, but it's excess calories that put on weight (ie fat)

And your evidence for that is? - I repeat:

See the article in the British Medical Journal of November 2003 http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/327/7423/1085 for actual research on what happens when this advice is followed! - Over 800 obese adults were put on energy deficit diets, given diet sheets and plenty of instruction and help from trained staff, and apparently, visited fortnightly for a year, at the end of which they had GAINED weight! This mirrors the real experience of obese people, viz. - dieting makes you fat.

That's the evidence of scientists. I didn't invent it.

margarete_2

So you are claiming, consultant 31, that all 800+ subjects in the research did it wrong? - Despite MASSES the personal supervision by specially trained staff over a year?

Not much point in research findings is that the results are simply repudiated when they don't fit with the prejudice of the reader...(o:

Obese people lose weight rapidly and easily when they concentrate on reducing their salt intake. - And yes, it doesn't involve any calorie reduction at all.

Obesity is caused by salt sensitivity not by over-eating. - Why not read the evidence on my website? - I've read the calorie claims in detail for decades now. - Why not reciprocate and read my heterodox reasoning and evidence on my website? - My Mensa article is on page http://www.wildeaboutsteroids.co.uk/obesity_and_the_salt_connection.html

consultant31

margarete wrote:

So you are claiming, consultant 31, that all 800+ subjects in the research did it wrong? - Despite MASSES the personal supervision by specially trained staff over a year?

Obese people lose weight rapidly and easily when they concentrate on reducing their salt intake. - And yes, it doesn't involve any calorie reduction at all.

Obesity is caused by salt sensitivity not by over-eating.

OK

Excuse me though, if I carry on doing my job, helping lots of people lose weight effectively (and even permanently) through healthy eating - which as I said before, includes cutting down on salt amongst other things.

What causes obesity?
Dr Susan Jebb
People come up with many reasons for being overweight, but the truth is that obesity is usually down to one of three factors, or a combination of them all
Genes
Some people have a tendency to gain weight easily, whereas others seem to stay the same weight for many years without any conscious effort. These differences may be due to genetic factors.
Many genes have been identified that either increase or decrease appetite. This means that some people are more hungry than others, or need to eat more food before they feel full. This increases the chances of overeating and gaining weight.
Food
People who tend to choose foods that are high in fat or contain a lot of energy (calories) in just a small portion are more likely to gain weight than people who fill their plates with bulky but low-energy foods, such as bread, potatoes and vegetables. Eating too much fat can also increase your risk of heart disease.
Many people find themselves turning to food when they are tired, bored or emotional. Using food as a quick pick-me-up, even when we're not really hungry, can lead to a weight problem. At difficult times, try to find other ways of improving your mood. Phone a friend, take a short walk or tackle an outstanding chore to distract yourself from food.
Physical activity
People who lead an active life are much less likely to gain weight than those who spend most of their day sitting in front of a computer or the TV, or in the car. Regular exercise can help to control your weight and improve fitness too, reducing your risk of problems such as heart disease and diabetes.
Obesity doesn't develop overnight. It takes around 3,500 excess calories to gain just 1lb (0.5kg). Few people gain more than 2 to 5lb each year. Weight fluctuates from day to day, but you should aim to stay about the same weight from week to week. If you notice a consistent increase in your weight, try to stabilise your weight before it develops into a serious problem. Begin by reducing the amount of fat in your diet and incorporate 20 to 30 minutes of activity into your day.
This article was last medically reviewed by Dr Rob Hicks in October 2005

WelshWoofer

consultant31 wrote:

OK

Excuse me though, if I carry on doing my job, helping lots of people lose weight effectively (and even permanently) through healthy eating - which as I said before, includes cutting down on salt amongst other things.

What causes obesity?
Dr Susan Jebb
People come up with many reasons for being overweight, but the truth is that obesity is usually down to one of three factors, or a combination of them all
Genes
Some people have a tendency to gain weight easily, whereas others seem to stay the same weight for many years without any conscious effort. These differences may be due to genetic factors.
Many genes have been identified that either increase or decrease appetite. This means that some people are more hungry than others, or need to eat more food before they feel full. This increases the chances of overeating and gaining weight.
Food
People who tend to choose foods that are high in fat or contain a lot of energy (calories) in just a small portion are more likely to gain weight than people who fill their plates with bulky but low-energy foods, such as bread, potatoes and vegetables. Eating too much fat can also increase your risk of heart disease.
Many people find themselves turning to food when they are tired, bored or emotional. Using food as a quick pick-me-up, even when we're not really hungry, can lead to a weight problem. At difficult times, try to find other ways of improving your mood. Phone a friend, take a short walk or tackle an outstanding chore to distract yourself from food.
Physical activity
People who lead an active life are much less likely to gain weight than those who spend most of their day sitting in front of a computer or the TV, or in the car. Regular exercise can help to control your weight and improve fitness too, reducing your risk of problems such as heart disease and diabetes.
Obesity doesn't develop overnight. It takes around 3,500 excess calories to gain just 1lb (0.5kg). Few people gain more than 2 to 5lb each year. Weight fluctuates from day to day, but you should aim to stay about the same weight from week to week. If you notice a consistent increase in your weight, try to stabilise your weight before it develops into a serious problem. Begin by reducing the amount of fat in your diet and incorporate 20 to 30 minutes of activity into your day.
This article was last medically reviewed by Dr Rob Hicks in October 2005

Yo:j :beer: u go girl!!!!

JenIttels

Thanks very much for the fried rice recipe C31. It sounds a bit cunning!

Made Honey's sweet pot and red pepper soup today and found it very yummy (added some tumeric and mild chilli powder cause we like that stuff ere) - thanks honey! There is now orange gloop all over the oven hobs, my jeans, my cheek and the kitchen sideboard.

I'm not the most graceful of chefs perhaps...