Why is it that going to University Costs so much.

vaporate

iamana1ias wrote: »

No common sense, can't spell, can't carry out even simple tasks without needing their hands held. Think the world owes them a living. Need to discuss the whys and wherefores of every tiny detail when I just need them to do as they're told. Know little about the world, poor basic education (due to the dumbing down of GCSEs, A levels and degrees these days to meet Government targets), little interest in anyone else.

I could carry on.

That is your hard luck. You are obviously bitter. Maybe you should stop recruiting 'graduates' from Thames Valley university LOL

iamana1ias

Mini_Bear wrote: »

Also i think, as these increased fees are here to stay (and potentially increase gradually), families should prepare more for the eventuality.
Look at families in the US, many have "college funds" as uni costs are HUGE out there.
I know people complain here becuae the fees have gone from free to £1k/yr to £4ish k a yr. but come on, if i had a child now i would be saving up for their future (if not uni fees then a house deposit etc). and not buyin that 60 inch plasma and subaru imprzza on finance to keep up with the jones/neighbours.
just my tuppence -

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Mini_Bear wrote: »

and i graduated

Surely not :eek:

Mini_Bear wrote: »

with a 13k loan 4 yrs ago!
i think ppl expect too much free stuff, look at our benefit system, wat a joke.

I think it must be far too easy to get a degree

iamana1ias

dawyldthing wrote: »

Tutors get 30-40k a year,

Real cost to employer circa £60k

dawyldthing wrote: »

being a teacher in psychology in a school would make 30-35k or there abouts.

Real cost to employer circa £50k

I'm guessing arts student, not business.

The_One_Who

^ That is going to apply to every employer, not just higher education establishments. That would be factored in.

The bottom line is that some students need to wake up and realise what university is for. They also need to realise how much things cost in the real world.

Rosie75

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If you think a university lecturer and teacher are the same kind of job, you clearly don't have any understanding what a university is. For a start, a lecturer will have a Masters degree and a PhD, and younger staff now have a teaching qualification as well. They will also be an active researcher in their field, perhaps even a world expert. They will be publishing books and articles, informing policy and shaping the understanding of the discipline.
I can assure you that student fees in no way come near to meeting the real cost of running either a department or a university. Now that Mandelson has slashed the budget for universities by hundreds of millions of pounds, expect student fees to go up after the election.

Mini_Bear

iamana1ias wrote: »

:silenced:



Surely not :eek:



I think it must be far too easy to get a degree

Apologies, my spelling was atrocious in the previous post, in between booking client trades i only have a small window of time to make comments.
Unfortunately i revert to text message speak of which i am fluent.
But i agree i left Durham Uni with a 2.1 three years ago and found it VERY simple. i studied a maths/statistics based degree so my English has suffered. I didnt mean to tarnish the calibre of current graduates/undergrads!:o

MissPop

Mini_Bear wrote: »

Apologies, my spelling was atrocious in the previous post, in between booking client trades i only have a small window of time to make comments.
Unfortunately i revert to text message speak of which i am fluent.
But i agree i left Durham Uni with a 2.1 three years ago and found it VERY simple. i studied a maths/statistics based degree so my English has suffered. I didnt mean to tarnish the calibre of current graduates/undergrads!:o

I hope you're not being serious.

melancholly

dawyldthing wrote: »

well for the uni i go to the maintenance staff and cleaners are probably paid for by the overinflated rent cost, student housing staff is a volunteer, and the rest by tuition fees I'm guessing, but most of the office staff for us are linked to about 3 or 4 departments, so when filtered across all departments then wouldn't cost that much per pupil. In addition, if you look at the wages for the people that work in uni in all of these roles, they are mostly more than what others would be paid in any other place of work.

oh dear.... there do have be cleaners for lecture theatres and offices and general uni outside areas. maintenance is needed for all uni buildings, not just the ones you use! most halls of residence are private companies so the profits stay outside of the institution. i think the full time staff in the housing support office are paid, not volunteers - perhaps you mean the staff who live in halls to keep undergrads under control?!

i'm going to politely suggest that you don't really know what you're talking about!

snugglepet20

If anyone is worried about the cost of uni I will say this, go on a course which is actually worth something!
Most courses which are useful to society i.e NHS professions such as nursing and physiotherapy, teaching etc offer bursaries or financial rewards for completion so you needn't get into debt and you will have actual skills and a virtually certain job at the end. For those who want to take film studies 2 hours a week and spend the rest of your life drunk you deserve to be in debt because you are wasting your time and you know it.

alyth

People have different reasons for going to uni - whether it's pressure from family, in order to get to a particular career path. If someone wants to take film studies then fine, but they have to realise that it's going to cost them - they may turn out to be the next Tarantino, but nothing in life is free. I'm nearly 40 and just got my acceptance from uni to study history and politics. I won't be taking part in the majority of student life, I have my own house, I won't be propping up the bar at the student union, my aim is to get my academic degree and move onto the next stage of my life.

I'm self-funding the next five years of my degree, from working and savings. I'm lucky in that I am able to do this. I'd hate to be 18 years old, feeling pushed into going to uni, not being academic but wanting to study what I like (photography, media studies) and then coming out with a massive student debt and no real chance of getting a decent job. I've worked over the years as a PA, and in many of the offices I've been in there have been 24 year olds with degrees in tourism working as basic admin assistants. For sure they had a good time at uni, but they're still working at a basic level, the only thing some of them had was arrogance!