Why is it that going to University Costs so much.

olly300

hbloomers wrote: »

I'd love to see the take people have on my degree. I'm well aware people consider music to be an artsy, easy degree.

As a student I shared with and lived next door to musicians. I also worked with dancers, and shared with people doing Drama.

While Arts students initially at the beginning of each term don't seem to have many taught hours due to having to practise continually, especially when a performance is due, they are one of the group of students you never tend to see hanging around doing nothing.

Unfortunately unless you make it as a professional, academic or teaching your pure skills are not seen as useful in the business world. Hence I know someone who wanted to do an art degree and was strongly advised not to do it.

luellaaa

olly300 wrote: »

That's the thing I never understood.

When students where fully funded by the government they were happy to live in poorer living conditions, with no new clothes and get around by cheap transport methods, yet now they have to pay they expect to live in the lap of luxury, new clothes all the time and have their own car.

You know all students do you? I don't live in the lap of luxury, certainly can't afford to drive. I am 3 years into a 4 year degree working two jobs a week...and i STILL don't splash out, and I am STILL poor, hence the reason I am on a Student money saving board!!!

Why do people make such ridiculous generalisations? I don't even want to argue against the clearly brainwashed person who thinks all students are useless. Yes, there are far too many universities nowadays, some not more than glorified colleges, but at the end of the day what would you rather was happening?

Would you rather the UK had more drug addicts and unemployed? At least education allows people to have prospects that as some have pointed out, weren't there when they were growing up!

The_One_Who

luellaaa wrote: »

You know all students do you? I don't live in the lap of luxury, certainly can't afford to drive. I am 3 years into a 4 year degree working two jobs a week...and i STILL don't splash out, and I am STILL poor, hence the reason I am on a Student money saving board!!!

Why do people make such ridiculous generalisations? I don't even want to argue against the clearly brainwashed person who thinks all students are useless. Yes, there are far too many universities nowadays, some not more than glorified colleges, but at the end of the day what would you rather was happening?

Would you rather the UK had more drug addicts and unemployed? At least education allows people to have prospects that as some have pointed out, weren't there when they were growing up!

Neither myself or Olly were tarring all students with the same brush. Only pointing out what seems to be a fairly common trend.

Not going to university does not make you unemployed/unemployable, nor does it make you a drug addict. I, personally, would rather university education was kept for those with the skills to succeed at it. The money saved to be used to increase (both in number and in reputation) other paths such as apprenticeships.

Blacksheep1979

sh1305 wrote: »

How is being an ed psych not "useful"?

In general, how is it useful?

Indie_Kid

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

In general, how is it useful?

http://www.prospects.ac.uk/p/types_of_job/educational_psychologist_job_description.jsp

poet123

It is useful if you are the parent of a child with educational issues that need addressing, it is useful if you are that child, it is useful if you are a teacher who is over stretched dealing with a class of children with additional, or special needs. Of course, like any degree it's usefulness can only be measured by the competency, dedication and insight of those who use it in their field of work.

There are many degrees which are less useful, both to society and to the student.

exil

iamana1ias wrote: »

I've known quite a few faststream failures, but no, that's not what I was referring to.

Well what in the name of Gordon Brown's granny ARE you referring to??????

exil

People were saying that graduates are useless back in the 70s when I was a student. Why? Middle aged jealousy of the young. Sure, young people lack "common sense". But that is something you learn with experience. When I look back at what I was like at that age - naive, ignorant and wet behind the ears - I cringe. But at the same time, I had more brain cells, an optimistic outlook unspoilt by middle aged anxieties and more capacity to work hard than I do now. If you don't want to employ new graduates there are plenty of newly redundant oldies to choose from.

dawyldthing

I personally agree to different variations about many of the topics. I think we need the educational psys, but we need the funding that can help the teachers in the classroom so we can have more and not less (which the Tories are proposing) TAs in our classrooms. I was surprised how many they said were in uni, and i think many of the stats are out of proportion. I know our uni says 97% had jobs within 6 months of graduating in 2003, but whether they are relevant in their degree is questionable.

I think half the problem is that the government is all about statistics, and throw money at any way so that the statistics show that there doing well. I joined a group on facebook with the name something like 'university is like being on the dole with our parents being proud of us'. In some ways it honestly is. This year I'm in uni 27 weeks of the year, just over half. I know, as I had to defer a year due to failing an exam, and many of my friends were on 3 year degrees, many people that have graduated. Now most of these are all doing jobs that they could have done before going to uni (shop work, working for a bank, office work, working in a cinema and caring). I've got nothing against these jobs, but none of them are related to any of the degrees that people do, and personally I do think there are far far too many degrees out there that don't have much relevance within society, especially when one friend was in uni for 3 hours a week! I think there needs to be a radical overhall of the whole system. I have no problem paying fees, I think 3k and even 5k is too much, I recogn 2k would be enough. Everyone says about the cost. well if you work it out this way theres 6 modules per course, so 6 tutors on 30k a year, roughly 180,000. on each course (especially some) theres like 100 people on the course, 100x 3000 (amount it costs) is 300,000 x 3 (amount of year groups)= 900,000. If you take off the 180,000 paid to the staff, theres 720,000 to pay for the library books and everything Someone somewhere is being paid an awful lot of money, and i know theres the admin staff and what have you, but if that is a lot of money for them to make. Then they make money on the food, the accomodation, the library fees etc etc.

Some courses are worth their weight in gold (teaching, doctors, nurses, midwives, police, firemen plus a few others) that in my own opinion should be partly funded, or paid off for every year that the person stays in the profession.

But I do think that there should be loans that are not linked to your parents income for uni, as i think that everyone should be on an even keel so that people do have money to live on, but then it should be paid back on any money after 10k a year at the 10%, as then the money we borrow and then pay back is available to the next generation of students and will in a way self fund itself.

But the government is a law amongst itself, and as long as there ok and say the right words to get voted in then they don't really care about the rest of us!

Oldernotwiser

dawyldthing wrote: »

I think 3k and even 5k is too much, I recogn 2k would be enough. Everyone says about the cost. well if you work it out this way theres 6 modules per course, so 6 tutors on 30k a year, roughly 180,000. on each course (especially some) theres like 100 people on the course, 100x 3000 (amount it costs) is 300,000 x 3 (amount of year groups)= 900,000. If you take off the 180,000 paid to the staff, theres 720,000 to pay for the library books and everything Someone somewhere is being paid an awful lot of money, and i know theres the admin staff and what have you, but if that is a lot of money for them to make. Then they make money on the food, the accomodation, the library fees etc etc.
fund itself.
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