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Why is it that going to University Costs so much.
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The_One_Who wrote: »Here was me thinking research (which is what most PhD-holders will do in some capacity) didn't pay much. It all depends on what you want to do in life.
Are you this dismissive of detail during your studies?
Think scientific research sits somewhere else (you seemed to imply you were interested in non-scientific research)I was born too late, into a world that doesn't care
Oh I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair0 -
iamana1ias wrote: »I didn't do it willingly. I did it by part time distance learning because I'd hit the bar of what I could do within my chosen field without it. Did it without debt and have more real experience than those that spent 3 years dossing at uni.
I think it's a waste for 18 year olds. Doing it when you have work experience to support it and some idea of how the world works is, IMO, far better for all concerned.
You're really being quite offensive. If you think coming out of uni being fluent in 2 languages "dossing" then fine, but I don't
I went to uni to learn more, and I don't "doss", I don't waste all my money on beer (ew) or alcohol in general, I don't go out much, maybe once a week, and I make sure I get my work done on time, I want to do well in life and I know plenty of fellow students who feel the same. I *am* jealous that you had a house at 20 lol, but I know that I wouldn't be happy working full time doing some lame job I don't enjoy because what I enjoy is what I'm studying now! 0 -
iamana1ias wrote: »I didn't do it willingly. I did it by part time distance learning because I'd hit the bar of what I could do within my chosen field without it. Did it without debt and have more real experience than those that spent 3 years dossing at uni.
I think it's a waste for 18 year olds. Doing it when you have work experience to support it and some idea of how the world works is, IMO, far better for all concerned.
That tells me that you gained entry to your chosen sphere of employment (or a related field) prior to the degree being a requirement, hence my previous comments re the need for a degree today.
University is not a choice for many, but a necessity to get into their career of choice. It is also quite dismissive to tar all students with the same brush, many are on intensive courses such as medicine, architecture, law, and dossing is not an option on those types of course.
I think I detect the hint of what I have heard many times, that is an older person bemoaning the fact that they are seeing fresh faced wet behind the ears grads climbing the ladder more quickly than they are doing, despite their experience.
It is a truism, but that does not mean the degrees are worthless, nor the uni experience of no vlaue. It just means that as a nation we place more value on a paper qualification than actual hands on knowledge. You have realised that and played the game, do not decry those who have no option but to play the game another way, had you been a few years younger you would have had no other option either.0 -
You're really being quite offensive. If you think coming out of uni being fluent in 2 languages "dossing" then fine, but I don't
I came out of primary school pretty fluent in 2 languagesI went to uni to learn more, and I don't "doss", I don't waste all my money on beer (ew) or alcohol in general, I don't go out much, maybe once a week, and I make sure I get my work done on time, I want to do well in life and I know plenty of fellow students who feel the same. I *am* jealous that you had a house at 20 lol, but I know that I wouldn't be happy working full time doing some lame job I don't enjoy because what I enjoy is what I'm studying now!
And someday real life will kick in
No-one says you have to do jobs you don't enjoy I was born too late, into a world that doesn't care
Oh I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair0 -
University is not a choice for many, but a necessity to get into their career of choice. It is also quite dismissive to tar all students with the same brush, many are on intensive courses such as medicine, architecture, law, and dossing is not an option on those types of course.
We discounted the heavily vocational courses earlier on in the threadI think I detect the hint of what I have heard many times, that is an older person bemoaning the fact that they are seeing fresh faced wet behind the ears grads climbing the ladder more quickly than they are doing, despite their experience..
Not at all. I work in very specialist education. No-one succeeds at this without huge amounts of life experience and years of experience. I'm the youngest but most senior in my department. It'll be a bit of a sideways but slightly upwards shift into the psychology sideIt is a truism, but that does not mean the degrees are worthless, nor the uni experience of no vlaue. It just means that as a nation we place more value on a paper qualification than actual hands on knowledge. You have realised that and played the game, do not decry those who have no option but to play the game another way, had you been a few years younger you would have had no other option either.
Funny that my brother, several years younger than me, hasn't found that I was born too late, into a world that doesn't care
Oh I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair0 -
iamana1ias wrote: »I came out of primary school pretty fluent in 2 languages
And someday real life will kick in
No-one says you have to do jobs you don't enjoy
Good for you, but I don't know what type of job I would do without a degree but still enjoy it and get to the top of my game. And you don't need to be so patronizing either.0 -
i think many people would suggest that i haven't yet reached maturity! here's hoping that lasts another decade or so!I am not a mature student (never was one really, unless you count being 23 when I began studying) I actually lecture now, and so am on the other side of the fence:D
i'm done with troll feeding tonight - why someone with such low opinions of students wants to spend so much time on a 'student' board is beyond me!
(although fwiw - my post phd research salary is fine - not as much as an accountant or solictor or clinician, but fine. if only there was some job security to go with it - that's the real killer!):happyhear0 -
iamana1ias wrote: »Are you this dismissive of detail during your studies?
Think scientific research sits somewhere else (you seemed to imply you were interested in non-scientific research)
If in a university setting a science researcher will get paid the same as an arts researcher, if on the same 'grade'. I straddle the fence between quantitative and qualitative and documentary methods. My interests are also wide enough so as to encompass quite a few fields.
To be honest, you are just coming across as pretty arrogant and like you have a massive chip on your shoulder for some reason.0 -
melancholly wrote: »
why someone with such low opinions of students wants to spend so much time on a 'student' board is beyond me!
I never look at the boards threads are on. I come to everything via 'new posts' I was born too late, into a world that doesn't care
Oh I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair0 -
melancholly wrote: »(although fwiw - my post phd research salary is fine - not as much as an accountant or solictor or clinician, but fine. if only there was some job security to go with it - that's the real killer!)
Haha, tell me about it. That's something which is concerning me.0
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