Civil Service Back Pay

Choco

Golden_Anemone wrote: »

The date used to calculate the period of 6 years was when NIPSA first lodged a claim in behalf of one of its members and this was many years after the issue was first raised. I was promoted just a few months too early to qualify for anything but understand that a cut-off date has to exist somewhere and accept that I've just been unlucky. Of course I've received a higher salary since so am better off anyway.

I do agree that people who retired or left the NICS within the 5 1/2 year period before that cut-off date are being very unfairly treated.

Perhaps one of them can obtain free legal advice on the matter via their NIPSA membership?

NIPSA want nothing to do with us cause we are no longer members. Seems like I wasted 20+ years paying Union fees.

NAR

Choco wrote: »

Seems like I wasted 20+ years paying Union fees.

I could have told you that - when I was a branch delegate, along with many others, used to p*** your fees up against the wall at annual conference. NIPSA are a waste of space; they have been "pressing" Management to make us our 2009 pay offer for over a month! However there is no money left in the budget this financial year, so it won't be paid until after April - it was only due last August!! :mad:
And dont tell me they were concentrating on the equal pay deal - nothing to stop them doing it in parallel.

tara747

Pam17 wrote: »

HMRC and/or any other government department not under the rule of the NI assembly I think.

Is that the Home CS? Never heard it called Imperial CS, sounds very quaint!

Choco

tara747 wrote: »

Is that the Home CS? Never heard it called Imperial CS, sounds very quaint!

Yes its Home Civil Service maybe showing our age by calling it Imperial Civil Service!

Golden_Anemone

NAR wrote: »

I could have told you that - when I was a branch delegate, along with many others, used to p*** your fees up against the wall at annual conference. NIPSA are a waste of space; they have been "pressing" Management to make us our 2009 pay offer for over a month! However there is no money left in the budget this financial year, so it won't be paid until after April - it was only due last August!! :mad:
And dont tell me they were concentrating on the equal pay deal - nothing to stop them doing it in parallel.

NAR, Agree totally with this but let's be fair to them. There's an extremely limited pool of talent in the organisation. I think they share about 3 cells between them so multi tasking is bound to be beyond them! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

pc10

Golden_Anemone wrote: »

NAR, Agree totally with this but let's be fair to them. There's an extremely limited pool of talent in the organisation. I think they share about 3 cells between them so multi tasking is bound to be beyond them! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

So true and those 3 cells are not much use to anyone who needs them. :rotfl:

But the annual conference is great! :beer:

bingo_bango

Choco wrote: »

Yes its Home Civil Service maybe showing our age by calling it Imperial Civil Service!

Speak for yourself choco

Normskin

And dont tell me they were concentrating on the equal pay deal - nothing to stop them doing it in parallel.[/QUOTE]


NAR, how exactly could they negotiate the 2009 pay deal before the final outcome of the equal pay settlement?

This equal pay settlement has adjusted payscales for AA, AO and EOI grades for the 2008 pay deal so the outcome of that has to be in place before they can even begin to discuss 2009 paydeals.

NAR

The equal pay settlement was known at the beginning of November. It may not have accepted/agreed until December, but negotiations had long since finished.
Management side are told by Treasury what the total pay increase each year % wise can be. It is then a case of applying the % increase across the grades, with some tweaking here and there to iron out any inequalities.
That is why this could have been done in parallel, with the tweaking element starting in December. So far the % increase figure from Treasury has not even been offered by Management side to NIPSA and in my opinion they are not pushing hard enough for it.
A few years ago we were conned into allowing the pay increase date to be moved from April to August to ensure the pay increases were sorted out by August, instead of people having to wait 9 months for their pay rise. Since it has moved to August no deal has been done in time, ignoring the 2nd and 3rd years of the 3 year deal.

Golden_Anemone

NAR wrote: »

The equal pay settlement was known at the beginning of November. It may not have accepted/agreed until December, but negotiations had long since finished.
Management side are told by Treasury what the total pay increase each year % wise can be. It is then a case of applying the % increase across the grades, with some tweaking here and there to iron out any inequalities.
That is why this could have been done in parallel, with the tweaking element starting in December. So far the % increase figure from Treasury has not even been offered by Management side to NIPSA and in my opinion they are not pushing hard enough for it.
A few years ago we were conned into allowing the pay increase date to be moved from April to August to ensure the pay increases were sorted out by August, instead of people having to wait 9 months for their pay rise. Since it has moved to August no deal has been done in time, ignoring the 2nd and 3rd years of the 3 year deal.

And I also remember that was the year that NIPSA encouraged its members to accept the 16 month deal which moved the pay increase date to August in spite of the fact that the vast majority of staff would have been better off on the 12 month deal. They presented the figures in such a way as to make this difficult to see knowing that the majority of junior staff would only look at the headline back pay figures and go with the highest one without considering that it covered a longer period. This is just one of the pieces of evidence I could cite to substantiate my claim that they operate on 3 brain cells between the lot of them!