sacked for gross misconduct need help!!!!!

Welshwoofs

dmg24 wrote: »

Could I suggest that you spend your time out of work looking at your literacy skills? The JCP should be able to arrange some support on this, and it will really improve your prospects of getting new employment.

I have to agree with dmg on this one. I'm afraid that if the standard of English on your application forms is equivalent to that which you've used here, you'll find it very difficult to get anything other than basic manual labour. It's not just poor spelling; you're frequently using words which have a totally different meaning to that intended.

In your shoes I'd use the time to really improve your written skills and figure out what you want to do. For God's sake don't lie on your CV. You'll find it very hard to 'lose' 6 years of work and will likely get caught in the lie very easily.

bigmacman

yeah i know my english isnt the greatest on hear when i do think about it i can write properly but i am going to do the english and maths courses thanks

Welshwoofs

bigmacman wrote: »

yeah i know my english isnt the greatest on hear when i do think about it i can write properly but i am going to do the english and maths courses thanks

That's a good start. There are lots of courses you can get access to these days, even Open University courses are free if you're on benefits.

Here's some links to sites offering free courses:

http://www.alison.com
http://www.vision2learn.com/
http://www.learndirect.co.uk/

There's also an MSE thread here about free courses.

pitkin2020

bigmacman wrote: »

thanks for the replys its much appreciated your all allowed to say your views and all welcome thanks for bein understanding pitkin my work were really rubbish about it all to be honest i had been there 6 years but stole from em for bout 1 half years nothing major to start with but then it added up.They knew it was happening and did nothing so they werent looking out for their employer as they could of stopped it there and then.they offered no support for me addiction either whats fair enough because what i had done.
i did a 2 year apprenticeship at that work place in 2003 so that finished 2005 do you rekon i could say i been traveling since or that bit to much of a lie.
thanks again now considering redoing a apprenticeship in different area to get new skills

Sorry but I wouldn't lie about not working there due to your apprenticeship and the length of time. The best thing is to prove to a new employer what you are doing to combat your addiction and how you are getting along with it.

bigmacman

thanks for the advice much appreciated
will let all you know how i get on tuesday thanks again

paulwf

Most employers for general jobs will only ask for references from the last 2 jobs. If you want to take the long view take a couple of temp jobs (catering or whatever comes up over Easter and the summer) so that you won't have to give the job where you were dismissed as a reference when you apply for your next "proper" job. If you can show you spent the time wisely on courses all to the good.

Savvy_Sue

bigmacman wrote: »

yeah i know my english isnt the greatest on hear when i do think about it i can write properly but i am going to do the english and maths courses thanks

Please don't bite my head off, or say "But this is just a forum it doesn't matter", but if you got into the habit of writing properly it could save a lot of grief later.

I don't need to tell you that it's easier to form a habit than to break it.

If you always do your best to write proper English and don't just save it for application forms, you won't start a job which needs reasonable English and find you are always being pulled up for spelling etc.

And before you know it, you won't have to think about it - spelling, grammar and punctuation will all come naturally ...

(OK I know my punctuation is 'informal' but I think you'll find my spelling is accurate. Any mistakes are typos not actual spelling mistakes. It's just a habit I've got into!)

woody01

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. It's no wonder with attitudes like that criminals who have served their time return to crime as very few people will give them a 2nd chance.

To the OP don't lie on your CV but if the job was a menial job and you weren't there very long i'd just leave it out from the CV. Obviously if you were there for 5 years you have no choice to add it in. But either way if your getting interviewd by woody01 your screwed as your going to look like a thief or a lazy sod for not working for the last 5 years!!

Good luck though

I will do what is good for my workforce. I am not a charity or some kind of rehabilitation centre.
My attitude is right with regards to the working environment. My salary and position reflect this.

Why on earth would any good employer take someone on that is a self confessed thief when there are literally millions of people that are honest that can do the job just as well.

Sorry Pitkin, but your comments clearly point to the fact that you do not have a particularly good job or have very much responsibility in the workplace, or you would see how wide of the mark your coments are.

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Sorry but I wouldn't lie about not working there due to your apprenticeship and the length of time. The best thing is to prove to a new employer what you are doing to combat your addiction and how you are getting along with it.

This may have been quoted from Pitkin, but there are quite a few posts in this thread suggesting the same thing.
For some reason that is unfathomable, some of you appear to believe that admitting the OP was fired for a job for GM on his CV is the admirable thing to do, and any 'good' employer will understand.
Sorry....but that is total fantasy.
I am not saying the OP should lie on their CV, it's up to them what they want to do. To however think that a new employer would be understanding of the fact someone stole for 18months+ from there old employers is ridiculous.

It may not be what the OP wants to hear but at least it's honest and truthful.

pitkin2020

woody01 wrote: »

I will do what is good for my workforce. I am not a charity or some kind of rehabilitation centre.
My attitude is right with regards to the working environment. My salary and position reflect this.

Why on earth would any good employer take someone on that is a self confessed thief when there are literally millions of people that are honest that can do the job just as well.

Sorry Pitkin, but your comments clearly point to the fact that you do not have a particularly good job or have very much responsibility in the workplace, or you would see how wide of the mark your coments are.


This may have been quoted from Pitkin, but there are quite a few posts in this thread suggesting the same thing.
For some reason that is unfathomable, some of you appear to believe that admitting the OP was fired for a job for GM on his CV is the admirable thing to do, and any 'good' employer will understand.
Sorry....but that is total fantasy.
I am not saying the OP should lie on their CV, it's up to them what they want to do. To however think that a new employer would be understanding of the fact someone stole for 18months+ from there old employers is ridiculous.

It may not be what the OP wants to hear but at least it's honest and truthful.

Thanks for the comments but I think you will find it is you that is way off the mark. I have a fantastic job but I would say that as I work for myself and I don't have to answer to narrow minded bosses like yourself. A lot of employers are happy to take staff on with a shaded past but that person has to prove themselves to be competent and show what they have done to turn things around. Obviously there also has to be a time scale for the person to turn things around and it isn't going to happen in a week.

Obviously the OP in this situation is going to be restricted to certain types of jobs, certainly jobs where cash hanling are likely to be out of the equation. There are plenty of jobs he could be doing now whilst getting help with his addiction.

Admitting to GM on a CV doesn't happen and if your receiving CV's at your work place with people admitting GM on them your obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel for staff or your expectations for the advertisied role are way too high. The whole purpose of a CV is to sell yourself and get you to the interview stage, the interviewer is likely to ask why you left your previous job and this is the OP's chance to state their case and PROVE what they have done over the last few months to rectify the situation that led them to dismissal. I never said it was going to be as easy as the tell the truth and you'll be fine, the OP will have to work twice as hard as the other candidates due to his past.

How well do you even know your staff? How many have a secret past or are dealing with problems at the moment that you aren't aware of? At least anyone taking the OP on knows from the outset what they will be dealing with and if he really hasn't changed you can easily find that out within a few days by simply testing him. A member of staff who looks A+ on paper doesn't mean they aren't a drug user who thieves to pay a habit! but you wouldn't expect it from them so you don't watch them and they could then be stealing from your company for 18+ months like the OP until the day they get caught.

Atleast with the OP putting all his cards on the table at interview stage the employer will know what they are getting. The OP has to be realistic now though in which jobs to apply for. It's obvious no bank is going to employee him, but some factories/warehouses will take him on. Build up a new working history and get some training under your belt and move on from there leaving your past behind you.

TO THE OP. Take some time to reflect, go out and find the support you need to beat this addiction, you will struggle to do it on your own and will need the support. Also not every employer out there is like woody, middle management who acts above his position with something to prove, who discriminates against people with a past and whatever else doesn't suit him.

woody01

OK Pitkin, we will agree to disagree then....but from what you have stated, your experience in recruiting looks very limited.
We can debate this all day long, but the facts remain that i am an employer within a successful multi-national, and as such, have a much broader experience of this, than someone that is self employed.

I will also be the first to admit that i do not get the recruitment process correct on every occassion. Overe the years my judgement in this area has been tested by employing one or two complete kippers. One the whole, i get it right though and my results confirm this.

I can also tell you for 100% fact, that my viewpoint on this is a professional one and nothing more.