Sainsbury's checking IDs

snapping_crocodile

duchy wrote: »

Simple then -pay out £50 (the cost of a provisional licence) to shop at Sainburys or do the sensible thing and vote with your feet and go to a retailer who trains their staff properly.

The trouble is the sainsbury staff member was trained approriately, she thought the OP looked under 25 so asked for ID....so again what is the fuss?

DCFC79

Id like to see the OP guess peoples age, i wonder how he would fare,

maninthestreet

Volvic wrote: »

I'm a department manager in Asda, believe me it can happen. I have seen a 19-year old girl taken by the arm from her checkout mid-shift because she didn't ID a 24-year-old gent sent in as a test by Police sitting in the foyer. Most Asda stores are tested twice a month along with tests on que length, happy to help, clean as you go. They're not management enforcements, they're government enforcements.

The police were obvously wasting their own time here - surely they realised that no offence was committed - since when was selling alcohol to a 24 year old an offence?

DCFC79

snapping_crocodile wrote: »

The trouble is the sainsbury staff member was trained approriately, she thought the OP looked under 25 so asked for ID....so again what is the fuss?

no idea but all credit to the member of staff

LilacPixie

I do understand that ID needs to be asked for but I do think some places are interperating the think 25 policy or whatever it is called too literally. I, myself fell foul of this in Sainsburys. I went to Sainsburys with my dad and younger sister for some bits for my mum. I am 29, sister is 25 dad is almost 64. We all approached checkout together. I bought a book and a 18 certificate DVD with no issue, my dad and sister were next they had a leg of lamb potatoes carrots and a bottle of red wine. Dad was paying with sister speaking to me. Checkout woman asked for ID because sister looked under 25 which TBH i don't think so does but no issue sister produces her driving licence. Checkout woman then asks my dad for ID because he is in the company of someone he believes to be underage and if she sells him red wine she could be prosecuted. Dad has no ID he is 64 and has an old style licence and certainly doesn't carry his passport to sainsburys.

Food and wine left and checkout and dad goes to ask to see a manager. Manager supports assistants decision because apparently if she sells alcohol to someone in the company of a person she believes to be under age and that person then provides alcohol to a minor she herself could be prosecuted. That sounds fair enough but the possibly underage person has proved herself to be 25 and by no stretch of the imagination does my dad look under 25 let alone 18.

Its stupid

rainbow_carnage

DCFC79 wrote: »

Id like to see the OP guess peoples age, i wonder how he would fare,

She worked in bars for six years and is pretty good at telling a person's age in a dark room. Give or take a couple of years, of course, but certainly within a decade.

Obviously, I'm not offended by the suggestion that I may look younger than I am, but what if it were the other way? How many of you would be happy for people to think you're a third older than you actually are? How many 45-year-olds would think it's no big deal if someone thought you were 60?

For those of you who didn't bother to read the first couple of pages of this thread, I'm annoyed at being asked for ID because I don't have any, except for my passport. I live in London. Like many Londoners, I don't drive. I have no plans to get a drivers license, and the suggestion that I should pay £50 for a provisional one, which many places don't accept, is ridiculous. How many of you would be prepared to pay £50 for the privilege of being allowed to drink? On this site people complain when they have to pay an extra 50p for something.

And how many of you take your passport along every time you go to buy groceries? Sainsbury's is not a foreign country.

But all of this ignores the main point. The sign doesn't say, 'Look under 25?' It says, 'Under 25?' I'm not.

Schnauzer

I think one or two have mentioned this, but in the store I work in, we get test purchases sent in. If they are under 25 and do not get asked for ID, the operator gets disiplined. No fine or criminal action, but loss of bonus and embarrassment for the colleague, and could also lead to loss of their job if they fail too many. We went through a few of them at one time, so we're now extremely tight on the Challenge 25 policy. Why run the risk of losing their job and a criminal record if they failed the big one?

snapping_crocodile

rainbow_carnage wrote: »

But all of this ignores the main point. The sign doesn't say, 'Look under 25?' It says, 'Under 25?' I'm not.

But what you are failing to understand is that it is if you look under 25....and the checkout operator clearly thought you do, and is therefore well within her rights to ask for ID....no matter how old you are, if you look like you are under 25 you will be ID'd, cos that is the only way the store will know how old you are!!!

beth464

I get really sick of posts like this.
I worked as a checkout operator for a few months and I would love to see people try and do all the things we were told to do as well as be polite, not make any mistakes AND accurately guess whether someone is 25 or not. Think about it - the customers are standing up, the checkout operator is sitting fairly low down. It's not like working in a bar where you can take a good look at someone before you even approach them. We get one chance to look, from one angle while the customer is probably fiddling with their money, getting bags out etc. It's not easy. You can't say "Hold up, stand still and face me while I decide whether you're 25". I was always apologetic when I had to ask and I didn't like doing it as people give you dirty looks and roll their eyes.
I don't know why people feel the need to kick up such a fuss. As for leaving all your shopping at the till, that's ridiculous. The girl was doing her job and probably felt bad when you walked out and left everything there. Why not just buy the rest of the shopping and get your alcohol somewhere else? I'm so glad I don't have to put up with the general public at work anymore.

Storck

spike7451 wrote: »

Passport excluded...My point being a Military ID card is issued by H M Government & is an 'Official Document' (as written on the back of mine) issued by the MoD. It is not an employer ID inasmuch as every serving regular,reserve,ta & cadet instructor has one,even dependant's have a variation.
Besides,how many companies have staff in excess of 174,000?

A lot of ID is issued by the government, NHS, Inland Revenue, Police, Fire, Ambulance to name a few. It was H M Government that put the act in place and excluded things such as forces, police etc from the list to keep it simple.

As far companies with staff in excess of 174,000 I would say a lot even excluding those already mentioned such as NHS, which is the biggest employer in the UK, you could add in a lot of major companies such as Tesco.

I have a Personal License card to sell alcohol and even that is not accepted as proof of age.