Overtaking

Apples2

tomstickland wrote: »

You've moaned on about people overtaking you and pushing in, then said that you would have been overtaking if you could have done so. So why are things behind you overtaking whilst you're not?

Are you still working on the principle that you won't overtake anything unless you can overtake everything in one go?

That makes a little more sense.

The situation I described was that there is no way that I can overtake the cars in front because there is nowhere for me to go (as my reply #65, line 2).

Because there is nowhere for me to go, i will maintain a safe distance between my car, and the one in front of me and (frustratingly) sit at that speed until an opportunity to overtake occurs.

The safe distance I am maintaining in front of my car is not an invitation for the car behind to race around me and fill it. Neither does it mean I am happy to drive at that speed.

My frustration at being held up does not mean I am happy to drive inches from the car in front as a kind of protest at being held up.

I would happily overtake how ever many cars I could, as long as it is safe to do so, and I can see where I am going to filter back in.

Hope that clarifies.

Wig

tomstickland wrote: »

You have simply not described the situation in a manner that makes sense.

You've moaned on about people overtaking you and pushing in, then said that you would have been overtaking if you could have done so. So why are things behind you overtaking whilst you're not?

Are you still working on the principle that you won't overtake anything unless you can overtake everything in one go?

Perhaps the people in front of her (assuming apples is a girl) are mindful of people like you and are driving with the gap closed, so she cannot overtake safely. but she is leaving a gap that you think you have a right to move into. If I was her, I would close that gap as soon as some !!!!!!! ( A donkey in an abyss) thought he was going to overtake me and move in front of me.


Does remind me of a time when I was late for something and I was driving on some country road, As I approached at a good speed from behind I saw a queue of traffic about 4 cars behind a tractor or something slow, only from my vantage point as I approached I could see past the traffic and could see no one was coming for a long way. I zipped past them all at once always mindful and expecting any one of them to start an overtaking manouver in front of me but none of them did no doubt each one of them thought I was a dangerous mo-fo overtaking on bend/brow of small hill (I can't actually remember the road layout), but I had already seen the road ahead was empty.

Apples2

Wig wrote: »

Perhaps the people in front of her (assuming apples is a girl) are mindful of people like you and are driving with the gap closed, so she cannot overtake safely. but she is leaving a gap that you think you have a right to move into. If I was her, I would close that gap as soon as some !!!!!!! thought he was going to overtake me and move in front of me.

Hoorrayyy :j:beer::j

I thought I was talking in a foreign tongue!!

gilbert_and_sullivan

Wig wrote: »

If I was her, I would close that gap as soon as some !!!!!!! ( A donkey in an abyss) thought he was going to overtake me and move in front of me.


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A perfect description of the Volvo driver in the OP.

Thats why normal people have to develop the stealth (slingshot) overtake, because the wannabe traffic patrol closes up the gap.

Apples2

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

because the wannabe traffic patrol closes up the gap.

Another one who drives on people's bumpers with no margin for safety. :mad:

No wonder there are so many accidents on the roads.

CHR15

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

Thats why normal people have to develop the stealth (slingshot) overtake, because the wannabe traffic patrol closes up the gap.

I would argue the normal people are the ones driving responsibly, it's the idiots driving aggressively causing the problems on our roads.

Wig

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

A perfect description of the Volvo driver in the OP.

Thats why normal people have to develop the stealth (slingshot) overtake, because the wannabe traffic patrol closes up the gap.

I want to overtake aswell, if you think you can overtake everyone infront of me (like I described I did in a previous post of mine here) you are welcome to try but don't think I will yield to bully boy tactics because I won't and we'll see how the insurance companies work out how you came to scrape the left hand side of your car against the right hand side of mine.

BTW the volvo driver in the OP had a clear road infront of him NOT a line of traffic.

gilbert_and_sullivan

Apples and CHR15, who said anything about driving close to the car in front apart from you two, thats for inexperienced and incompetent sheep who follow each other round all day, responsible driving is maintaining normal progress, not blindly following the slowest vehicle on the road.

Someone who can overtake competently doesn't tailgate, they hang back to gain maximum visibilty past BOTH sides of the vehicle(s) in front, and they use that extended gap as acceleration space.
When not overtaking they will be keeping an extended distance from the snake in (thats the line of traffic not an insult, i leave that to others here who seem so good at it) front, whom if you travel several hundred yards behind and watch them will be accelerating and braking constantly as if joined by bungee straps in a desperate attempt to maintain that distance close enough to prevent the dastardly overtaker...it's amusing but quite sad the small minded nature of it.

Unfortunately competent driving has become an increasingly rare pleasure to witness, it doesn't have to be fast, it usually involves swift smooth manoeuvres taking advantage of a road layout for maximising visibility.

It's something few drivers will ever realise whats happening if they should see it being performed let alone learn it for themselves, and i don't just mean overtaking.

gilbert_and_sullivan

Wig wrote: »

I want to overtake aswell, if you think you can overtake everyone infront of me (like I described I did in a previous post of mine here) you are welcome to try but don't think I will yield to bully boy tactics because I won't and we'll see how the insurance companies work out how you came to scrape the left hand side of your car against the right hand side of mine.
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Oh good in your previous post it sounded like you just wanted to police the road, of course if you feel the need to collide with someone overtaking you that's your perogative, meself i always check that someone more competent than me isn't actually overtaking me before pulling out, takes all sorts.

Do drivers that try to force overtakers off the road have any sort of sign or driving ritul to warn each other they have met a fellow traveller?

Wig

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

Apples and CHR15, who said anything about driving close to the car in front apart from you two, thats for inexperienced and incompetent sheep who follow each other round all day, responsible driving is maintaining normal progress, not blindly following the slowest vehicle on the road.

So what you're saying is, you see me infront of you with a safe distance to the car infront, but infront of me also you see a line of traffic which has not got safe distances between cars. You now say that you will slingshot infront of me using all your stealth and cunning that you can muster (it would have to be a lot of cunning to catch me by surprise I can assure you), but then having done this wonderfully safe manouver and caught me by surprise, you too will drop back and recreate the space like I had infront of me....... You can't go any further up the queue of traffic because like me you are now stuck.

Having now dropped back to a safe distance from car infront, I decide at the next opportunity to overtake you into the gap you have left, you are telling us now that you would accept this. And you think this swapping over of position btween the two of us going on repeatedly is acceptable driving?