Anyone used Rointe heaters?

Garfy

Totally agree , 100% efficiency means 1kW in , 1kW out and it makes no difference if it’s a £15 B&Q heater or a £800 salesman’s dream. Save your money to pay for the electric bills. 

Reed_Richards

Thermodynamic principles really aren't complicated and one of the things they say is that you cannot beat the system.  If you convert electricity into heat you get 1 kW of heat for every 1 kW of electricity.  With a fan heater you are using a small amount of electricity to rotate the fan but that energy is working against friction and friction converts the energy to heat so once you turn the fan heater off and the fan stops you will have converted all your electricity into heat.

How warm you actually feel may be more complicated.  For example if you were inside a large microwave oven you could heat yourself and if you kept the power low enough that you don't cook yourself you might feel warm even though your surrounding are cold.  But infrared radiation does not work that way (even if you see claims to the contrary).  I'm not aware of any practical means of heating yourself more than your surroundings that does not require you to remain in close proximity to the heater.  Maybe a heater mounted on a drone that automatically follows you around would do the trick?

The only way to get more heat out than the electricity you put in is to use a heat pump, and that does exactly what it says, pumps heat from one place (outside your house) to another (inside your house).       

rp1974

Cristos said:
These look the part and do the job.Now dont get me wrong I really don't know how the cost racks up in these efficiency claims or if the electricity cost is good or bad. But they do a great job heating the place and look good and are silent.But I am just a person who got them.

If they suit you,in your home,whilst looking pretty,heating well and quiet then great.
From a primarily money saving view stating you dont know wether costs are good,bad,or indifferent is missing the point slightly.
Most certainly not having a go,if they work for you then job done,unknown running costs aside.

Strange though that the main problem people have with these and other similar types of heaters is actually comfortably using them both from a temperature and financial perspective.

Cardew

Cristos said:

This was exactly what caused me to sign up and post here because after having got these heaters and reading this I could see this was misleading. I dont agree that your correct in that statement. Obviously we can't make proper scientific cslculations without the company providing much more info but thermodynamics is much more complicated than just watts to heat when your using the oil and metal to store and radiate the heat. How the heater is controlled by the computer all equates to how efficient it is. No way can you heat a flat this size with 3000 watts in fan heaters. Trust me I tried it. Not to mention how unsightly and noisy they are. Part of what your paying for is the quality of equipment and comfort of Use. These look the part and do the job. Now dont get me wrong I really don't know how the cost racks up in these efficiency claims or if the electricity cost is good or bad. But they do a great job heating the place and look good and are silent. I think you seem to be paranoid about fake company reps trying to advertise the product which to be fair is valid as it must happen. But I am just a person who got them. Was impressed by the product and when looking for info on efficiency felt this thread needed some more input from an actual user.

I will try just once more:

You are now stating 'Now dont get me wrong I really don't know how the cost racks up in these efficiency claims or if the electricity cost is good or bad.'

However in your first post you stated:

'Previously we had two fan heaters 1 x 2000w and 1 x 1000w. These both running would not actually heat the building and made alot of noise. We had three of the rointe kyros heaters fitted and now have a lovely warm apartment for under half the elctic cost as the fan heaters which didn't even warm the place as well.'

So you were stating(you claim proving) that the Rointe heaters produce more heat than the 3000w fan heaters for less than half the running costs.

Yet the fan heaters are 100% efficient.

Can you not see the conflict?

 

Reed_Richards

Cristos said:
This was exactly what caused me to sign up and post here because after having got these heaters and reading this I could see this was misleading. I dont agree that your correct in that statement. 

@Cardew , okay, it's just about credible that somebody could have bought these heaters and like them.  There is probably a psychological term for dong something ill-judged (like spending a lot of money unnecessarily) and making yourself believe that what you did was justified rather than face the truth.  But if you are in that frame of mind you can believe all sorts of impossible things before breakfast and you are unlikely to be swayed by facts.  Either that or Rointe plants commentators on the forum to muddy the waters.  If these "plants" had deep cover they would have been posting on a range of topics for some time.  With shallow cover they might turn up purely to comment in favour of Rointe heaters, rather as @Cristos has done.  Either way I think you may be wasting your time arguing.     

Dandytf

OP hope you don't mind me asking mser's if these could replace my old school Storage heaters and if they could run on Eco 7 Tariff or would I seek another Single  rate rate Tariff for my 1 bedroom Flat. Electric only.
Dimplex QRAD200E | QRadE 2kW Electric Radiator | New Series
p.s. I appreciate not more Heat produced etc, though these are at least more Controllable Temps, and there's an App for that!
t.i.a.

Reed_Richards

@Dandytf, Rointe make fancy radiators, AFAIK they don't make storage heaters.  So yes, they could replace storage heaters but the radiators would be a lot more expensive to run because you would not benefit from the Economy 7 tariff.  Unless, that is, you sleep during the day and need the heat at night.

Cardew

Reed_Richards said:

Cristos said:
This was exactly what caused me to sign up and post here because after having got these heaters and reading this I could see this was misleading. I dont agree that your correct in that statement. 

@Cardew , okay, it's just about credible that somebody could have bought these heaters and like them.  There is probably a psychological term for dong something ill-judged (like spending a lot of money unnecessarily) and making yourself believe that what you did was justified rather than face the truth.  But if you are in that frame of mind you can believe all sorts of impossible things before breakfast and you are unlikely to be swayed by facts.  Either that or Rointe plants commentators on the forum to muddy the waters.  If these "plants" had deep cover they would have been posting on a range of topics for some time.  With shallow cover they might turn up purely to comment in favour of Rointe heaters, rather as @Cristos has done.  Either way I think you may be wasting your time arguing.     

Thanks, I agree I am wasting my time arguing with Cristos. However unless patently absurd statements are challenged, by plenty of posters, the many casual visitors to this website are likely to believe the nonsense.

Incidentally I should make it clear that I am not questioning the quality and appearance of Rointe products. My objection is to posters who state/imply that somehow there are electrical heaters that produce a greater heat output per kW(ie cost) than other electrical heaters.

matelodave

Dandytf said:

OP hope you don't mind me asking mser's if these could replace my old school Storage heaters and if they could run on Eco 7 Tariff or would I seek another Single  rate rate Tariff for my 1 bedroom Flat. Electric only.
Dimplex QRAD200E | QRadE 2kW Electric Radiator | New Series
p.s. I appreciate not more Heat produced etc, though these are at least more Controllable Temps, and there's an App for that!
t.i.a.

You need to do the sums and work out how much heat you need to heat your place rather that having a quick guess and hoping. Bear in mind that if you go to a single rate tariff then you'll lose the benefit of heating your hot water tank on off peak leccy. It shouldn't be everso difficult to work it out - just add you peak and off peak consumption figures together (kwh rather than ££'s), see how much that cost you on your off peak tariff then just work it out using a single rate tariff. 

Note - Neither Rointe, Fischer or any other exotic potion or magic dust heat is a storage heater - they require to be powered when you need heat and therefore use peak rate leccy and so aren't suited to off peak E7 tariffs (unless you work permanent nights and sleep all day). However if you really want to go down the route of single rate on-demand heating there is not advantage in paying silly money for a pretty heater.

If you also feel the need to play with a remote app then get a smart plug adapter and use Alexa or similar rather than paying £100's for a heater with it built in. (at least you'll be able to use the adapter for summat more useful when you get fed up playing with the heater controls whilst sitting on a bus)

Cristos

Cardew said:

Cristos said:

This was exactly what caused me to sign up and post here because after having got these heaters and reading this I could see this was misleading. I dont agree that your correct in that statement. Obviously we can't make proper scientific cslculations without the company providing much more info but thermodynamics is much more complicated than just watts to heat when your using the oil and metal to store and radiate the heat. How the heater is controlled by the computer all equates to how efficient it is. No way can you heat a flat this size with 3000 watts in fan heaters. Trust me I tried it. Not to mention how unsightly and noisy they are. Part of what your paying for is the quality of equipment and comfort of Use. These look the part and do the job. Now dont get me wrong I really don't know how the cost racks up in these efficiency claims or if the electricity cost is good or bad. But they do a great job heating the place and look good and are silent. I think you seem to be paranoid about fake company reps trying to advertise the product which to be fair is valid as it must happen. But I am just a person who got them. Was impressed by the product and when looking for info on efficiency felt this thread needed some more input from an actual user.

I will try just once more:

You are now stating 'Now dont get me wrong I really don't know how the cost racks up in these efficiency claims or if the electricity cost is good or bad.'

However in your first post you stated:

'Previously we had two fan heaters 1 x 2000w and 1 x 1000w. These both running would not actually heat the building and made alot of noise. We had three of the rointe kyros heaters fitted and now have a lovely warm apartment for under half the elctic cost as the fan heaters which didn't even warm the place as well.'

So you were stating(you claim proving) that the Rointe heaters produce more heat than the 3000w fan heaters for less than half the running costs.

Yet the fan heaters are 100% efficient.

Can you not see the conflict?

 

Yes that's true. I have a smart meter so can see the cost by day. The fan heaters simply would not heat the place and cost more. You don't take into account the power to turn the fan motor either which may not be that much but must be taken into account. The question is how is this possible? I don't know the answer but I would like to find out? There is deffinatly something better about these heaters. I also had a portable 1kw oil radiator in the past which again didn't seem to heat as well. I guess you don't have to believe me but I only speak the truth.