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Cardew

TimAllcot22 wrote: »

Hello everyone,

So, we bought this kind of radiator from a company called Farho back in April/May this year. We looked into the Eco Rad Company but went for Farho instead. To be perfectly honest with you, we still uphold the opinion that these radiators are of a very high standard. Ok, so maybe Farho misleads people, and maybe they are 'convector' heaters, but still our running costs are massively low compared to our previous heating costs at the same time of year. I cannot speak about Eco Radiators products as we didn't get them in the end, but they sound exaclty the same. Im a woman, and I know very little about heating etc but I've noticed that these heat our living room quicker than our old oil filled ones, and therefore they must draw less electricity????? or am I stupid? I don't know, it confuses me really.

Hi,

Firstly I don't think anyone has commented unfavourably on the build quality of any of these heaters.

As has been said many times throughout this part of the forum, all electrical heaters - and I do mean ALL - give out exactly the same heat, for the same running cost. That is not an opinion, it is an undisputable fact.

The variable is how they produce that heat.

As you imply your old oil filled radiators took longer to heat up the room. This is because initially the oil is being heated and little heat is outputted into the room, however they retain heat after the electricity is switched off.

Some other heaters - e.g. convector/fan heaters produce heat quickly and the room will warm up faster, however they will not retain heat like the oil-filled radiators.

The sum total of heat produced is the same for both types of heater(for the same running cost)

Swipe

TimAllcot22 wrote: »

Hello everyone,

So, we bought this kind of radiator from a company called Farho back in April/May this year. We looked into the Eco Rad Company but went for Farho instead. To be perfectly honest with you, we still uphold the opinion that these radiators are of a very high standard. Ok, so maybe Farho misleads people, and maybe they are 'convector' heaters, but still our running costs are massively low compared to our previous heating costs at the same time of year. I cannot speak about Eco Radiators products as we didn't get them in the end, but they sound exaclty the same. Im a woman, and I know very little about heating etc but I've noticed that these heat our living room quicker than our old oil filled ones, and therefore they must draw less electricity????? or am I stupid? I don't know, it confuses me really.

It has also been an unseasonably mild autumn so far this year which may give the impression that your heaters are using less electricity and giving out more heat.

chris1973

I think there would be far more credibility for 'reviews' of these products, if they weren't all coming from people with a handful of posts.

In the real world, people will register to a forum like this to have their say (and read) a vast variety of subjects, will stick around for some time and pretty soon will have several hundred posts under their belt.

Its very rare that somebody 'just passing' will go to the effort of registering to a forum to solely post 'their praise' of a product, unless they have some reason or a vested interest in doing so.

Think about it, there must be many other products they've bought which they could also 'review' whilst they are here, yet they never seem to do so, or post in any of the general topics

Personally, I take with a pinch of salt, any posts from people who posted on or around the same day they registered, or whose sole and ONLY contributions have only been to periodically post on this and similar subject threads, and then vanish again, after reviewing / defending the product.

This forum has millions of threads and many sections, you'd think that any genuine visitor, interested in money saving would find something else of interest to post on, especially after going to the effort to register, and not just hog the one thread!.

And this doesn't just apply to products like this, in fact it can apply to anything commercial, on any forum.

Cardew

chris1973 wrote: »

I think there would be far more credibility for 'reviews' of these products, if they weren't all coming from people with a handful of posts.

In the real world, people will register to a forum like this to have their say (and read) a vast variety of subjects, will stick around for some time and pretty soon will have several hundred posts under their belt.

Its very rare that somebody 'just passing' will go to the effort of registering to a forum to solely post 'their praise' of a product, unless they have some reason or a vested interest in doing so.

Personally, I take with a pinch of salt, any posts from people who posted on or around the same day they registered, have only posted on this and similar subject threads, and then vanish, never to appear again, after reviewing / defending the product - their 'work' complete.

This forum has millions of threads and many sections, you'd think that a genuine visitor would find something else of interest to post on, especially after going to the effort to register, and not just hog the one thread!.

And this doesn't just apply to products like this, in fact it can apply to anything commercial, on any forum.

Exactly! I have made this point in several posts.

If it is 'spam' it is no bad thing as a Google, by people contemplating purchase, will bring up this thread and hopefully they will see what rubbish is posted on their websites.

TimAllcot22

Hi Cardew and gang,

Thanks for your replies...certainly food for thought. I am the husband, Tim, I am a University lecturer (Law with Banking- not electronics or anything useful! haha!) Now not to sound too rude, but what qualifies people to give detailed opinions on this forum? Mainly Mr/Mrs Cardew. I have read through, and it seems to us both to be rather detailed and informative and we wondered whether you are a gaas engineer or indeed work for an oil heating company? Just a suggestion. Moreover, how can anyone trust what is said on any kind of Forum? How do we know what you are saying is true, unbiased advice? I could be a 6 year old from India for all you know. Cardew could be a 12 year old girl with a grudge against electric heating. My point is simple - How can we take these forums seriously?

I look forward to the stream of angry replies from 'qualified' individuals. I find it very entertaining indeed.

HappyMJ

You can only read what you see on an internet forum and then check it for yourself. Of course it all opinion. It's up to you what you believe or not.

I have acquired a mini oil filled radiator from freecycle. Nice little thing it's rated at 800W. I use it in the bedroom at night and turn the central heating off. I don't see the point of heating downstairs when I'm upstairs and the opposite of that as well. All my upstairs radiators are off. I turn it on when I go into the bedroom and it heats up the room slowly while I'm getting ready to get into bed. It's too small to cope properly so the room only gets to 15/16 degrees and it holds it there. A wall timer turns it off between 1am and 5am at night then it comes on again turning off at 7am when my E7 rate finishes. It uses on average 400W per hour costing 2 pence per hour at night and 6p per hour in the evening. How does my heater compare with the Fahro heater? It's exactly the same but the same rated Farho heater is over £400. http://www.directtradesupplies.co.uk/farho-xana-770w-digital-heater.html

I also have another heater a 2kw convector heater in the room. That heats the room up in a few minutes and uses 30p per hour but as it usually only runs for about 10 minutes in only costs 2.5p every time I use it. An E-on Powerdown device turns it off when the bedroom gets up to temperature and the little mini oil filled radiator takes over.

I also use an electric blanket all night and although it's rated at 90W that is too hot so I put it on the middle setting which uses about 60W. That costs about 1 penny all night (7 hours) and about 1 penny per hour in the evening.

During the day I use gas as it's much cheaper than electricity.

Cardew

TimAllcot22 wrote: »

Hi Cardew and gang,

Thanks for your replies...certainly food for thought. I am the husband, Tim, I am a University lecturer (Law with Banking- not electronics or anything useful! haha!) Now not to sound too rude, but what qualifies people to give detailed opinions on this forum? Mainly Mr/Mrs Cardew. I have read through, and it seems to us both to be rather detailed and informative and we wondered whether you are a gaas engineer or indeed work for an oil heating company? Just a suggestion. Moreover, how can anyone trust what is said on any kind of Forum? How do we know what you are saying is true, unbiased advice? I could be a 6 year old from India for all you know. Cardew could be a 12 year old girl with a grudge against electric heating. My point is simple - How can we take these forums seriously?

I look forward to the stream of angry replies from 'qualified' individuals. I find it very entertaining indeed.

Why would there be angry replies - it is a reasonable question.?

I claim to be a Chartered Electrical engineer, however if I were a 12 year old girl, according to a physics teacher who posted on here recently, I would have covered the subject in physics to sufficient depth to be able to comment with some authority on the stupid claims made by many manufacturers and sadly, some customers.

The central issue is that all electrical heaters give the same heat for the same cost and as such an £8.49 fan heater gives out the same amount of heat as a £1,000 heater - and you will see on the other thread that there are heaters well in excess of £1,000.

With a Google(it has now become a verb) anyone can check if the points some of us make are accurate. For all its faults Wikipedia is a good place to start.

Perhaps the acid test is that no manufacturer has challenged those of us pointing out the flaws in their brochures. There is some evidence that vested interests are getting 'twitchy' about these forums, and had we posted inaccurate statements, they would have complained to Martin who would have deleted our posts very quickly if our points couldn't be sustantiated. Perhaps with your background in law you would be aware of the finer points.(I assume you are not an Indian 6 year old!)

Apart from those with a vested interest in marketing these heaters, there are some posters who have bought a product, and cannot bear to think it was a unwise decision - I speak as someone who bought two Betamax video recorders and an early Toshiba HD player as I was convinced Blu-ray wouldn't catch on!

If you look on other forums you will find posters who swear blind that the £12 magnet strapped to the fuel lines of their(petrol or diesel) car improves fuel consumption by 30% or more(cos it lines up the mollycules(sic) Others convinced a £10 device plugged into a mains socket, reduces electrical bills by a vast amount.

If you are happy with your heaters, then so be it! However it doesn't change the central issue; The laws of physics still apply.

Edit. If you are at a University why can't you ask a fellow lecturer in a scientific discipline if the detailed opinions I and others are correct. Unlike your subject -The Law - which is a mixture of reason, opinion, interpretation and precedent, the Laws of Physics have been tested and proven over hundreds of years.

The second law of themodynamics - which is relevant to this discussion - has stood the test of time over the past 250 years.

TimAllcot22

I am massively concerned by the legal implications that surround this website and posts in it.

I have in fact contacted the site adminstrator with my concerns regarding this thread and threads like it. What I have read in here is close to Libel (slander). I believe that there is some rather huge gaps in legislation that allow websites like this to exist, where people fundamentally say whatever they like about something they are most probably not qualified to comment on. Like my statements, everything you read on here is opinion and only opinion.

I am sure I am not alone with my concerns. I have spoken with fellow lecturers and we are in agreement that there is a underlining concern with websites such as this, and we are all eager to here what MSE has to say in response.

I will post here for all to read once they have replied.

All the best Cardew and to you all.

welda

TimAllcot22 wrote: »

I am massively concerned by the legal implications that surround this website and posts in it.

You miss the point Tim, Various post and replies under the numerous sections within this site come from individuals with either practical, or theoretical experience.

Majority give good advice, they may not all be 100%, but replies to posts are done in good faith also.

Concerns me when someone with 5 posts appears all guns blazing, you state there are gaps in the law re: this and other websites, same gaps in law, that allow companies to try to pull the wool/give false info/stats to the general public at large, hence this site, and similar.

Do you not think this site has no legal mind available when required?

You should let us know where you lecture, you and you're colleagues, I think you are all on a different planet if what you read here concerns you all!!!

Regards...........

grahamc2003

TimAllcot22 wrote: »

I am massively concerned by the legal implications that surround this website and posts in it.

I have in fact contacted the site adminstrator with my concerns regarding this thread and threads like it. What I have read in here is close to Libel (slander). I believe that there is some rather huge gaps in legislation that allow websites like this to exist, where people fundamentally say whatever they like about something they are most probably not qualified to comment on. Like my statements, everything you read on here is opinion and only opinion.

I am sure I am not alone with my concerns. I have spoken with fellow lecturers and we are in agreement that there is a underlining concern with websites such as this, and we are all eager to here what MSE has to say in response.

I will post here for all to read once they have replied.

All the best Cardew and to you all.

That's quite an ironic post considering the 'inaccurate' statements on some of the manufaturers/resellers/agent websites - do you have nothing to say on that? Well I understant the advertising authorities have, and have declared some of the wilder claims unacceptable. While Rome burns, you cast your eye on these forums.

As to the accuracy of staments made on this particular discussion, I am qualified to state the substantive points raised by others are accurate - surely you don't imply you have to own one of these things to be qualified to state the claims are nonsense do you?

Could you confirm you are posting here purely in your own private capacity?

You really should try looking at other discussion groups on the web - if you think this very mild site is a bit riske, you'd have a heart attack if you ventured into some others.