Sainsburys refused to sell OH a bottle of wine

sk00bie1

tripled wrote: »

Legally it is only an offence to if the sales assisstant 'knowingly allows anybody else to deliver to an individual aged under 18 alcohol sold on relevant premises'. So if someone comes through and says it is for their own consumption it is irrelevant whether the person with them is actually a relative or not. In fact, the purchasor is the one commiting the offence if he passes it on to people under age.

This seems to conflict with the fact the a child over the age of five can consume alcohol legally at home or on other private premises. If anything the supermarkets should be refusing the parents with toddlers, rather than those with teenagers.

Has anyone used this argument when they have been refused while with their child or teenager?

I can see that the legislation is written to prevent people buying alcohol for random youths who approach them outside the store but the supermarkets have taken things far too literally!

spike7451

LilacPixie wrote: »

Dave I'm not quite sure what you find tobe sensible about this policy?? An Adult say aged 30 (like me) buys a weekly shop but with maybe a bottle of wine or lager or even spirits and is told nope you have a toddler with you and you may be buying for them. The 30 year old adult has proof of age showing she is over the age of 18 but of course the toddler being well a toddler does not.

Plus,what about peopel like me who live XX miles away from the nearest Tesco/ASDA ect?
Do I waste time & money driving my children home & go back for the booze or do I tell them they can't come into the shop as I'm buying booze?
Yes I can buy booze in the village where I live but it's a lot more expensive than the big 4's deals.

Paul_Varjak

These problems have never happened to me because I always go shopping alone and never buy alcohol anyway!

But, jokes aside, it does seem political correctness gone mad. The absurdity is that any parent will now leave their young child in the car if they are shopping for alcohol, only to be arrested for doing so!

Perosnally, if I was shopping with children and this happened to me I would simply abandon the shopping and go elsewhere.

Is that manager at Sainsbury's now going to be on the lookout for the OP each week now and refuse to sell him alcohol because he believes that the OP's daughter is hiding somewhere in the car park, just waiting for her tipple?

The activities of underage drinkers proves that they will get alcohol if they want it and these farcical measures do nothing but penalise the genuine supermarket shopper.

Amanda65

Paul_Varjak wrote: »

Is that manager at Sainsbury's now going to be on the lookout for the OP each week now and refuse to sell him alcohol because he believes that the OP's daughter is hiding somewhere in the car park, just waiting for her tipple?

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Methinks my OH will not be frequenting that particular branch in future ! Or maybe we should just go in daily, load up the trolley with frozen goods and alcohol and when we are refused service - leave it at the till. I wonder how long it would take for the penny to drop

Paul_Varjak

Amanda65 wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Methinks my OH will not be frequenting that particular branch in future ! Or maybe we should just go in daily, load up the trolley with frozen goods and alcohol and when we are refused service - leave it at the till. I wonder how long it would take for the penny to drop

I think that they may bar you for that Co-op and any other Co-op before the penny dropped!

I was banned from a store after taking photos of a frozen food compartment that was badly iced up. The manager stepped up silently behind me, grabbed me around the throat with one arm and attempted to wrench the camera from my hand with his other arm. He failed in his attempt.

I then sent the photo of the frozen cabinet to Trading Standards who visited the store and required remedial work on several freezers which cost around £8,000. Not too long after that I received a letter banning me from the store!

A couple of years later (when I was sure no-one would recognise me) I went back into the store and found further problems with the freezers. As I was leaving the store a security guard asked if I was Mr. Varjak? I confidently told him no. He then let me go!

Of course, if he had been intelligent enough he could have checked the till transaction and would have seen that I was the person he thought I was!

A further complaint to Trading Standards meant about £10,000 had to be spent by the store on the freezers!!

Amanda65

Paul_Varjak wrote: »

I think that they may bar you for that Co-op and any other Co-op before the penny dropped!!!

Although it would appear to be an across the board policy, what happened to my OH actually took place in Sainsburys

hippyadam

Hmmm i was in Asda last week with my 2yr old daughter, at about 10am.

I bought bread, milk, juice, ice and a big old bottle of rum. No questions asked!

I'd love some jobsworth to try refusing me on the basis i had a 2yr old, but then i'm renowned for being a bit grumpy :beer:

WaveyDave_2

A couple of weeks ago, I was in M&S, and one of the things I picked up was a bottle of wine. My wife was with me (in a wheelchair). I was asked for ID, because the salesperson reckoned my wife was under 25 (22 to be precise). Now, why I was asked for ID is a mystery, as she didn't doubt my age, so me providing ID to prove I'm 35 was irrelevant. The thing is, my wife is 34!

Luckily, one of the senior people came over and said they'd served us many times before and there was no problem!

Seems bonkers to me.

Paul_Varjak

Amanda65 wrote: »

Although it would appear to be an across the board policy, what happened to my OH actually took place in Sainsburys

Apologies, but you are right it does to be an across the board policy.

Paul_Varjak

From what I can make out, these supermarkets say that the older policy was so successful at not selling to underage drinkers that the underage drinkers are now going in groups to buy alcohol, with someone who is not underage and has the necessary ID

So, to combat this, the supermarkets introduce a policy of not selling to anyone if they are accompanied by anyone who looks under 25 (unless they have proof of age).

Any underage drinker (at least while he is not intoxicated) will take but a few minutes to learn that if he wants someone else to buy him alcohol then all he need do is NOT go into the shop with the person who has the relevant ID!

So, all this new policy does is put off adults with children going to a supermarket to buy alcohol with their weekly shop - possibly putting them off from even shopping there altogether! It certainly will NOT put off the determined yourngster who wants his booze!

I suspect that the real reason behind this new policy is so that the supermarkets do not face prosecution, it is certainly not out of concern for the health of their younger shoppers!