Peoples acceptance of disability/illness

jazabelle

krisskross wrote: »

As I have PTSD, panic attacks and anxiety issues perhaps I can count myself in the ranks of the 'disabled' in my own right. Need antidepressants on occasions, propanolol to try to control the panic attacks. What do you reckon?

You said you weren't disabled, not any of us. We have no idea how it effects you and whether the term applies to you or not. If you wish to be disabled for this discussion, but not the previous one, that's up to you.

tenmah

I am not trying to insult you, but you do seem to answer every post with vitriol and nit picking. It is not easy to have any sort of discussion with you because you are always right and everyone else is wrong in your eyes.

krisskross

jazabelle wrote: »

. Terms move on in the language. Calling someone a retard was a medical term, now it is an insult. .

No one in the medical profession has EVER called anyone a retard. As I said before it has only ever been an insult.The medical profession still use the adjective '!!!!!!' which simply means delayed.

jazabelle

krisskross wrote: »

No one in the medical profession has EVER called anyone a retard.

Have we not just had this discussion??

I thought you pointed out that was the incorrect use, I said oh yes, I meant !!!!!!, and then you post again pointing it out? What is the point of that?

Yes you did say it before, so why repeat it?

krisskross

jazabelle wrote: »

You said you weren't disabled, not any of us. We have no idea how it effects you and whether the term applies to you or not. If you wish to be disabled for this discussion, but not the previous one, that's up to you.

I am not disabled but presumably could be if I wished to be seen like that.

Dunno where a poster gets the idea that my posts are 'vitriol'. What rubbish although it is so obvious that no one is welcome here that doesn't have the touchy feely, lets all be sorry for ourselves attitude.

tenmah

krisskross wrote: »

I am not disabled but presumably could be if I wished to be seen like that.

Dunno where a poster gets the idea that my posts are 'vitriol'. What rubbish although it is so obvious that no one is welcome here that doesn't have the touchy feely, lets all be sorry for ourselves attitude.

Mmm where did I get that idea from?

Actually I am not disabled, so I am not here feeling all sorry for myself at all, but then again I don't think anyone else is either.

Invasion

It's slightly different to be in a wheelchair and be called a cripple, than have panic attacks and be called a cripple. I don't think anyone who's able-bodied can understand the hurt caused by people using what is now a derogatory term to insult them, or describe them. I'm 18 and since I've been alive it's not been acceptable to call anyone a cripple, not doctors nor anyone else.

Jaz's example was good, if a stranger overheard my brother calling me a cripple, and greeted my with "hey cripple!" I would be most unnerved, it's not just how the term is used, it's by who and in what context. Unless discussed, I do not see a reason for anyone to use a currently derogatory term to describe someone.

jazabelle

krisskross wrote: »

I am not disabled but presumably could be if I wished to be seen like that.

Dunno where a poster gets the idea that my posts are 'vitriol'. What rubbish although it is so obvious that no one is welcome here that doesn't have the touchy feely, lets all be sorry for ourselves attitude.

I do not believe we have that attitude. We come here for support, to discuss issues related to disability and for advice.

Having people like you in here jumping on every point I make is not fun. I do not expect touchy feeling, just some common courtesy.

My very first point was simply that the use of the word cripple may offend some people, so best avoided. How you've managed to make that into a big argument, I don't know.

From what I can make out, the vast majority of the people that post here and define themselves as disabled have conditions that vastly affect their lives. When you need a carer, and help to do basic things like get into bed, to wash and to dress, I think you have every right to call your self disabled, because you are dis-abled.

It took me 11 years to come round to the fact that my condition affects every bit of my life. I can no longer stand without severe pain, I can't see my friends, etc, so I had to come to terms with the fact I was in actual fact disabled. It was not a decision I made overnight, it was incredibly difficult for me to do.

If you do not wish to call yourself that, that's your decision. As I said, I have no idea how your conditions affect you and I don't think you have the right to go around making people feel bad for using that term, as you have done many times in your posts.

By simply telling you or others, how our condition affects us, gets us labelled as whingy and feeling sorry for ourselves by you. For some of us this is the only place we can be honest, with other people who know what it's like, and for you to belittle us in that way is hurtful.

Indie_Kid

*sighs* According to the people I lvie with, I'm faking my head injury (who would seriously fake that?) because I've only just told them.

Tell, me am I the only one who doesn't feel the need to fill people in on my medical history? It's like, a friend of mine (who I've known for several years) only knows about my wheat intolerance because I asked him for help in regarding eating out. He also only knows about my visual problems, because they've been brought up in discussion.

geminijewel

Marsh_Samphire wrote: »

I know exactly what you mean, I can only work 4 days a week because I have ME/CFS/whatever the current name is for Tired All The Time, asthma, anaemia (my consultant told me he felt sorry for me! and he can't treat it as there is plenty of iron in my system but apparently my body can't/won't use it to make red blood cells), underactive thyroid and serum negative arthritis.

I had to put in a grievance against work to keep my 4 day week when a new manager started as she couldn't understand why I need a day off midweek and wanted me to work my 28 hours over 5 days instead.

Two weeks ago I agreed to go to a team away day on my day off and I'm still getting over it.

People also can't understand a condition which fluctuates, how is it possible to be fine one day and can't stand up the next? Grrrr!!! :mad:

Thank you as i also suffer with ME and have done for the last 13 years, most days i look ok but inside i feel so ill, tired and in pain. I find that i can't walk that far without getting exhausted and my whole life just revolves around trying to keep myself well enough to lead a semi normal life. If the doubters could only suffer this for a week just to see what it is like to forget what "normal" is.