Public Sector workers laughing all the way to the bank

worldtraveller

Graham_Devon wrote: »

...I agree that the pension is not currently sustainable.....

The pensions needs looking at for sure.

:shocked:

:grouphug: _party_

Firstly, apologies Graham, I couldn't help myself!

However, glad to see you are coming aboard after all these years!

username2003

macaque wrote: »

I envy the money rent boys earn but I don't want to be one myself.

The public sector employs too many people, and pays too much for the skills they need. In recent years, the quality of essential services (schools, police, waste collection, roads) has declined whilst public servants invent for new roles themselves. Most of these roles are unnessary and many cause more harm than good.
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Which too many people, numbers with examples and how service provision would not be affected.

Pays too much, again like for l.ike examples please, an NHS Consultant and a bricklayer is not a like for like comparison.

How has service provision worsended? Proof please

New roles invented - again mnumbers examples

Uneccessary/ causing harm... Numbers examples..


Do you really get away with this unsubstantiated nonsense in the private sector?

username2003

The GDP/Workforce argument is a false analogy. Unless the whole of the private sector was educated privately and have private health insurance?

In the public sector what is more improtnat is opportunity cost of inaction ie what would be lost if the public sector didnt intervene.

username2003

improtnat is a fancy Public sector word for important and I am drinking my tea.....

carolt

The edit button is great for those in both the public and private sectors, including those drinking their tea.

username2003

The Public sector bible [The Guardian] doesnt though, and until it does am happy to correct any errors with self deprecation.

Have just realised in 10 years working for the Gvmt I havent had a negotiated pay rise more than inflation....

carolt

Welcome, username2003. Are you new round here? Enjoying your contribution....

username2003

Not new been around a while, just very uneven in terms of posting. Tried to avoid discussions such as these, but have failed for a couple of weeks. Need to get back to only posting positively and let yourself and fifer fight the good fight....

Andy_L

worldtraveller wrote: »

:rotfl:

This is one department that needs the slashing of non-jobs immediately! This is largely agreed with by both the current Government, the Tories & Lib Dems. There are 85,000 civil servants at the MoD — one for every two active soldiers, the highest level among the Allied nations — and about 50,000 will get a performance bonus this year.

Col Bob Stewart, the former commander of United Nations forces in Bosnia, said he was “absolutely staggered” by the bonus payments. “No civil servant should be getting any kind of a bonus when our country is broke and our troops are fighting for their lives,” he said. :T

They should be ashamed!

The uk, unlike much of nato, uses cheaper to employ civil servants rathwr than soldiers to do jobs that don't need to be done by a soldier
The bonus scheme is a way of avoiding pensionable pay increases and so saving taxpayers money

macaque_2

username2003

Do you really get away with this unsubstantiated nonsense in the private sector?

You have asked for the evidence and then ranted in the same post.

How has service provision worsended? Proof please

School playgrounds have been sold off. Class sizes are getting bigger. Universities and employers increasingly having retrain school leavers in basic skills. Police stations and police in the community have declined rapidly in recent years. Bin collections are now only every fortnight. Public WCs have almost dissapeared. Traffic wardens are no longer public servants but profit centres. UK public transport has become one of the most expensive in the world. Local council officials now force their way into peoples houses. Road verges are littered with millions of signs as the roads themselves fall apart. Unfinished road works are everywhere.

Which too many people, numbers with examples and how service provision would not be affected. Pays too much, again like for l.ike examples please,

See below

Chief Executive, BOLTON AT HOME, Circa £125,000
Director of Community & Children's Services, Circa £120K
Group Director of Housing and Customer Services, Hampshire, up to £105,000 package
Chief Executive, Poole, Dorset, £140k package
Children’s participation and targeted support manager Kensington, £31,900 - 43,100 plus PRP
Health and Safety Manager £250 per day - Negotiable
Contract Monitoring and Development Manager, HACKNEY, £42,258 - £44,910
Head of Family Wellbeing Service, Twickenham, £46,050 - £48,876 pa
Principal Practitioner – Continuous Improvement Lean Specialist, £44,947 to £55,391 per annum
Community Safety Officer, £20.49 PAYE/£24.59 Umbrella
Travel Buddy Co-ordinator, HOUNSLOW,£29,601 - £31,761
Management Plan Co-Ordinator HADRIANS WALL HERITAGE, c £34K
Project Delivery Manager,BUSINESSLINK.GOV.UK, London, £55000 - £70000 per annum
Membership and Stakeholder Co-ordinator, Up to £28k
DIRECTOR OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN GOVERNMENT, £57,936 - £68,990
Project Manager, Financial Inclusion Derbyshire, RURAL ACTION DERBYSHIRE, £32,000 pa
Head of Performance, BARNET, £44,262 - £46,692 pa inc
Head of Service Delivery, Poplar, London, Circa £45,000 per annum inclusive
Safeguarding Development Officer, HALTON, £28,636 - £30,851 p.a
Conference and Reviewing Manager, HALTON, £35,430 - £38,042 p.a
Practice Manager- Adoption and Permanence, EAST SUSSEX, £39,711- £43,401 pa
Performance and Information Manager, CAMBRIDGESHIRE, £31,433 - £42,583
Senior Personal Assistant - Executive Director, NEWHAM, £29,601-33,510 pa inc
Service Manager for Safeguarding & Quality Assurance, LUTON BC, £46,295 - £48,950 pa, Children's Rights Officer (Safeguarding & Standards), DONCASTER, Up to £34,549 pa
Independent Reviewing Officer (Safeguarding & Standards), DONCASTER, Up to £40,741 pa
Head of Change, WORCESTERSHIRE, £75,267 - £83,388
Lean Practitioner, HARROW, To £42,000 pa plus benefits
Service Manager, BARNET, £51,381 - £55,071 pa inc
Assistant Director - Children's Trust & Performance, MIDDLESBROUGH. Salary to £70-£75k
Independent Chair - Child Protection, BRACKNELL FOREST BC, £41,200 - £43,900 pa
Strategic Development and Commissioning Manager YORKSHIRE CC, SM2 - up to £58,490
Head of Children's Safeguarding, £52,073 - £60,921
Senior Resettlement Officer, CROYDON, £33,177 - £38,574 pa
Head of Family Placement Services, MANCHESTER CC, £46,263-£49,413
Principal Manager, Children's Residential Service, MANCHESTER CC, £39,855-£41,616
Deputy District Manager, MANCHESTER CC, £42,840-£45,765
District Managers MANCHESTER CC, £58,494
Service Lead for Safeguarding, MANCHESTER CC, £57,078
Head of District Provision, MANCHESTER CC, £65,000
Transport Strategy Director, Manchester, Circa £90,000 plus final salary...
Safeguarding Children Manager (Partnerships), NOTTINGHAMSHIRE, To £39,855
Safeguarding Children Board Development Manager, NOTTINGHAMSHIRE CC, To £39,855 Programme / Project Manager (Business Support Carbon Reduction, Energy Efficiency), £42,246 to £50,373
Bury Accessible Natural Greenspace Officer, BURY MBC, £21,519 - £24,646 per annum
Programme Director - Building Schools for the Future, NORFOLK, Up to £90k
Environmental Health Manager, HACKNEY, £48,501 - £51,381
Senior Project Manager Skills Development, LDA, £48,935
Children’s Services Senior Quality Assurance and Improvement Adviser £40,741 - £44,352 p.a. plus...
Senior Research Advisor – Assessment, Coventry, c£55,800 + attractive benefits
Manager – Business & Programme Management, Coventry, c£47,000+ attractive benefits
Programme Support Manager, Coventry, c£34,400 + attractive benefits
Development Managers – Policy & Implementation, Coventry, c£34,400+ attractive benefits
Internal Consultants, Coventry, c£38,500+ attractive benefits
Manager, Coventry, c£47,000+ attractive benefits
Research Manager, Coventry, c£38,500 + attractive benefits
Qualifications Development Manager, Coventry, c£39,800 + attractive benefits
Programme & Portfolio Manager, Coventry, c£55,800 + attractive benefits
Assistant Head of Executive and Committee Services, WANDSWORTH, £49,551 to £52,548
Project Manager, HACKNEY, £46,701 - £49,452
Principle Project Manager x 2, HACKNEY, £52,335 - £55,206
Service Development and Performance Manager, HACKNEY, £42,258 - £44,910
Head of Access and Options, HACKNEY, £ - £
Head of Change, WORCESTERSHIRE CC, £75,267 - £83,388 per annum
Financial Inclusion Manager, London, £33,150 - £39,000
Neighbourhood Investment Managers, London, £33,150 - £39,000
Neighbourhood Investment Managers, Cheshire, £31,025 - £36,500
Programme and Partnership Manager, Cheshire, £33,150 - £39,000
Director of Research and Evaluation, £55000 - £65000 per annum
Step Forward Engagement Officer, Birmingham, £18 - £22 per annum
Decentralised Energy Project Manager, ISLINGTON COUNCIL,£38,283 - £40,966 pa fixed-term to...
Strategic Director (Community Engagement), CARLISLE, Salary up to £78,000 including car...
Smarter Travel Richmond Programme Manager, RICHMOND, £52,704 - £55,572
Partnership Director, COVENTRY, £43,128 - £46,276
Electoral Services Manager, ST ALBANS, Up to £35,980 inc. pa + £5,000...
Senior Performance Officer, CAMDEN, £37,851 - £40,506
Research & Evaluation Analysts - Children's Services,£15 - £16 per hour
Advisors & Employability Consultants, London, Midlands and Scotland, £26,000 - £31,500
Community Outreach Co-ordinator, HOUNSLOW, £28,800 - £30,390 pa. Incl
Influencing Manager, Central London, £36,000 - £40,000
Deputy Team Managers, WALTHAM FOREST, PO5/6: £38,961 - £43,368
Head of Overview and Scrutiny, NEWHAM, £47,247 - £57,741 pa inc.
Senior Partnership Development Officer - Regional Officer, YORK, £27,068 - £31,448 pa
Policy and Projects Officer, EALING, £44,403 - £46,191 pa inclusive
Settings Support Team Manager, CROYDON, £41,610 -...
Head of Schools Asset Support Team, SOLIHULL MBC, £54,475 - £67,431 pa
Cultural Strategy Officer, CROYDON, £34,542 - £36,306
Regulatory Project Manager, London, £45,500 - £64,000
Category Manager - Care & People Services,£50,000 - £52,000
Director of Sheffield First Partnership Up to £81,645, SHEFFIELD CC, Up to £81,645
Deputy Team Manager, MILTON KEYNES, £37,206 to £42,786 p.a. + £2,000...
Assistant Director, NORTH LINCOLNSHIRE COUNCIL, Up to £73,500
Research and Performance Officer, HOUNSLOW, £29,601 - £31,761 pa incl
Public Relations and Consultation Manager, REDCAR, £61,973 - £64,487
Head of Locality Services, HEREFORDSHIRE, £55,000 + Benefits
Community Safety & Licensing Manager, NEW FOREST DC, £36,733 - £42,972 per annum plus...
Employee Relations Manager, WANDSWORTH, £43,152 - £45,807 (PO6)
Principal Constitutional Services Officer, STEVENAGE. £31,754 - £35,430 p.a. plus...
Head of Evaluation and Analysis (maternity cover),£33k
Community Safety Officers - UK, COMMUNITY SAFETY SKILLS, £15 - £20 PH
Neighbourhood Officers - UK, COMMUNITY SAFETY SKILLS, up to £15 per hour Approx
Head of Training Design, Corporate Services, £53,360 - £65,440
Head of Asset Management, BEDFORDSHIRE, £47,687 - £52,023 pa
Head of Asset Management, BEDFORDSHIRE, £47,687 - £52,023 pa
Performance & Information Officer - Social Care & Partnerships, WINDSOR, £31,795 - £35,255 pa
Public Relations and Consultation Manager, REDCAR & CLEVELAND BC, £61,973 - £64,487
Chair,£40,000 per annum (6 days per month)
Senior Head of Tourism and Leisure, EASTBOURNE BC, Up to £65,500 p.a. plus car...
Senior Director - Schools & Lifelong Learning, ROTHERHAM MBC, Up to £82,000 pa
Director - Safeguarding & Corporate Parenting, ROTHERHAM MBC, Up to £80,000 pa
Safeguarding Manager, BEDFORDSHIRE, £39,855 - £43,351
Head of Learning Disabilities/Mental Health, BEDFORDSHIRE, £57,803 - £62,139
Head of Older People & Physical Disabilities, BEDFORDSHIRE, £57,803 - £62,139
Project Manager – Service Review, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, £45,243 - £49,728 per annum
Children's Centre Extended Services Managers, BRENT, Up to £39,855 p.a. inc. + £1,740 LW
Safeguarding Adults Manager, SANDWELL, £42,505 - £45,220
Project Development Manager (Economic Development – Enterprise), SOUTHWARK, £35,739 - £41,841
Street Scene Enforcement Officer-East London, £18-20 per hour
Smoke free and Workplace Health Coordinator –London, £34,500
Community Neighbourhood Manager, ST ALBANS CITY AND DISTRICT, Up to £35,985 pa inc. + Car Option
Health, Safety & Security Manager-West London,£35-45,000