Public Sector workers laughing all the way to the bank

Emy1501

My mate recently got a fixed contract in the public sector. he said most days hes done all he needs to do by early afternoon. he does not really know why he is there. Says there are twice as many staff as they need.

Also I know a teacher they confirmed that they get paid a reasonable amont more than in the private sector. Of course you could agrue that its tougher teaching in the state system than in the private sector.

username2003

macaque, I have turned your post into a series of allegations which I would suggest you provide evidence for with stats..

• There is plenty of bad and unnecessary legislation
• Public servants cherry pick legislation to suit their ambitions.
• They are very relaxed about the law when it comes to employing illegal immigrants,
• Public servants exploit new legislation mercilessly to expand their empires.
• In areas like safety, environment and education there is huge overmanning as different government departments duplicate each other's work.
• They waste huge amounts of money through bad management.

Why should the head of children's services get paid less than a GP?

LIKE FOR LIKE EXAMPLES PLEASE AS REQUESTED PREVIOUSLY

Finally, "we did not all vote for the government".

NO BUT THEY ARE THE DULY ELECTED GVMT

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criminal negligence in child care departments.

I had to single out this line, do you think getting rid of lots of child care staff will help this? Honestly

carolt

Emy1501 wrote: »

My mate recently got a fixed contract in the public sector. he said most days hes done all he needs to do by early afternoon. he does not really know why he is there. Says there are twice as many staff as they need.

Also I know a teacher they confirmed that they get paid a reasonable amont more than in the private sector. Of course you could agrue that its tougher teaching in the state system than in the private sector.

Sorry, incorrect. Private schools pay more. And will take unqualified teachers.

And re the first area, I know civil servants who work long beyond set hours, and are unable to take leave due, due to there being far too much work that needs doing to be able to take the leave. This is thanks to mass redundancies in govt depts over the last decade, which left handfuls of staff trying to do the work of several people each.

worldtraveller

Emy1501 wrote: »

My mate recently got a fixed contract in the public sector. he said most days hes done all he needs to do by early afternoon. he does not really know why he is there. Says there are twice as many staff as they need.

Pretty much on par then with what Lord Digby Jones said earlier this year.

He told the administration committee that the civil service was “honest and stuffed full with decent people who work hard”.

But he added: “Frankly, the job could be done with half as many. It could be more productive, more efficient and it could deliver a lot more value for money for the taxpayer.

“I was amazed how many people, frankly, deserved the sack and yet that was the one threat they were never, ever working under, because it doesn’t exist as long as they have not been criminal.”

Aberdeen Press & Journal

wolvoman

carolt wrote: »

Sorry, incorrect. Private schools pay more. And will take unqualified teachers.

And re the first area, I know civil servants who work long beyond set hours, and are unable to take leave due, due to there being far too much work that needs doing to be able to take the leave. This is thanks to mass redundancies in govt depts over the last decade, which left handfuls of staff trying to do the work of several people each.

If there are so many redundancies and overworked staff in the public sector, how come there are a million more jobs in the public sector than there was in 1997? Because there certainly isn't a million more nurses, soldiers, firemen, police etc.

And how come the public sector wage bill is so much bigger?

And how come the fattest jobs paper is still the Guardian public sector appointments?

kabayiri

You know what, folks, isn't this all a bit academic and perhaps premature?

Whichever government is in power, over the next 5 years we are going to see significant reductions in Central and Local government budgets. It's inevitable, because this nation will have to start making inroads to its debt. So far, the private sector has taken the hit.

Budget reductions will probably mean staff losses. I don't take any delight in that fact, in the same way I don't enjoy job losses in the private sector.

What we need to do is find some other employment sector growth somehow, so that people can be retrained and find new career opportunities. We will be talking serious numbers of people.

In principle, isn't it a good idea to move workers from the public sector into areas where they can generate wealth for this country?

carolt

wolvoman wrote: »

If there are so many redundancies and overworked staff in the public sector, how come there are a million more jobs in the public sector than there was in 1997? Because there certainly isn't a million more nurses, soldiers, firemen, police etc.

And how come the public sector wage bill is so much bigger?

And how come the fattest jobs paper is still the Guardian public sector appointments?

Erm...as the article makes clear, these figures include bankers who are now paid for by taxpayers.

Might that have something to do with the discrepancy in the figures? :rolleyes:

All central govt depts have been reducing staff numbers hugely (possible exception of DWP, as increase in numbers on benefits probably means more people needed to deliver them).

Frontline staff like teachers have increased in number, yes = lower class sizes = manifesto pledge, I believe. It relates to growing number of children of school age in the population, too. You have a problem with that? You'd like less teachers for more children?

worldtraveller

Public sector workers are enjoying inflation-busting pay rises three times as big as those in the private sector, official figures revealed yesterday.

The Office for National Statistics said public sector workers enjoyed average rises of 2.8 per cent in September.

But workers in the private sector, which is losing nearly 2,400 jobs a day, got just 0.8 per cent.

The figures expose the widening gulf between the booming public sector and the dwindling private sector.

While public sector jobs jumped 13,000 over the latest quarter to a record of just over six million, private sector jobs fell sharply by 212,000 to 22.8 milion.

And while private sector workers on an average salary of £460 a week got an average pay rise of just £4 a week - before they pay a penny in tax or National Insurance - their public sector counterparts saw much bigger rises on already larger salaries.

On their average salary of £522 a week, their generous pay rise is worth nearly £15 a week.

Arek Ohanissian, an economist from the Centre for Economic and Business Research, described the huge disparity as 'particularly stark'.

Daily Mail

carolt

worldtraveller wrote: »

Public sector workers are enjoying inflation-busting pay rises three times as big as those in the private sector, official figures revealed yesterday.

The Office for National Statistics said public sector workers enjoyed average rises of 2.8 per cent in September.

But workers in the private sector, which is losing nearly 2,400 jobs a day, got just 0.8 per cent.

The figures expose the widening gulf between the booming public sector and the dwindling private sector.

While public sector jobs jumped 13,000 over the latest quarter to a record of just over six million, private sector jobs fell sharply by 212,000 to 22.8 milion.

And while private sector workers on an average salary of £460 a week got an average pay rise of just £4 a week - before they pay a penny in tax or National Insurance - their public sector counterparts saw much bigger rises on already larger salaries.

On their average salary of £522 a week, their generous pay rise is worth nearly £15 a week.

Arek Ohanissian, an economist from the Centre for Economic and Business Research, described the huge disparity as 'particularly stark'.

Economists warned yesterday that private sector workers face a bleak future of job insecurity and pay cuts.

Vicky Redwood, from the consultancy Capital Economics, said workers could be facing a tough choice between losing their jobs or accepting a pay cut.

She warned: 'Unless output starts to recover quickly, firms may seek to trim their labour costs further. The labour market is not out of the woods yet.

'We would not be surprised if employment starts to fall again and pay growth slows further.'

A separate report, from the accountants Deloitte, confirmed the private pay crisis, with nearly 50 per cent of senior managers not getting a pay increase this year.

Daily Mail

Aaah, the wonders of the Daily Mail.

Rehash a Times article, but can't even do it correctly.

See the link in the OP, and my comments about including bankers in that.

StevieJ

A guy I know who works for the LA said his pay rise was 1% so who is getting his share?
Lools like Carol has provided the answer ex private sector bankers