Public Sector workers laughing all the way to the bank

abaxas

littlemrtinkle wrote: »

If you see the public sector as such a easy life why not just apply for a job there? As someone who used to work for the public sector and now work for the private sector the reality is a lot different.

The hint to why not is in the username .... 'littlemrtinkle'

Hence cant be a one armed mentally disabled black lesbian.

zappahey

Generali wrote: »

That's not been the case over the past 10 years however.

Please elaborate.

darich

donaldtramp wrote: »

Darich



The sample was 1 percent across the board. That is 1 percent of ALL professions.
So yes you are correct, some people just read what they want to:rolleyes:

So you didn't read
"Product, clothing and related designers had an 18.2 per cent fall in mean salary, to £29,484, while tax experts’ pay fell by 13 per cent to £29,223"
Or
"directors and chief executives saw their mean annual salary fall to £172,716 — a fall of 12.7 per cent. Farm managers’ pay, meanwhile, rose by 11.4 per cent to £29,632 and travel agency managers had a 12.6 per cent rise to £29,269"
Or
"police officers had rises, on average, of 3.1 per cent and secondary school teachers of 2.9 per cent. Veterinarians, however, had their pay reduced by an average of 16 per cent; shopkeepers’ pay fell by 8.2 per cent, and bricklayers had a pay cut of 7.9 per cent. "

Would be interested to know how a police offer's salary can be compared to a vet's.
Or a chief executive's to a farmer's
Or a clothes designer's to a tax officer's.

It may well have been across the board but for any comparison to be valid, the salaries of public sector and private must be compared in similar or same jobs.
Since you don't get public sector farmers or clothes designers their salaries are irrelevant. Like wise you don't get private sector police or tax officers.

Try reading the whole article next time.:beer:

LizEstelle

But you do get private sector teachers, nurses, doctors, dentists, lawyers, accountants, IT operatives, administrators, personnel managers etc etc etc etc.

There is a certain amount of commonality, wouldn't you say?

And of course, these people never complain during the good times that their pay is 25% -33% higher than their public sector counterparts...

darich

LizEstelle wrote: »

But you do get private sector teachers, nurses, doctors, dentists, lawyers, accountants, IT operatives, administrators, personnel managers etc etc etc etc.

There is a certain amount of commonality, wouldn't you say?

And of course, these people never complain during the good times that their pay is 25% -33% higher than their public sector counterparts...

Of course you get these jobs in both the private and public sectors....but the article doesn't compare the two.
It compares vets to police and chief executives to farmers and undermines the value of the survey.
If it had said that private sector teachers earn £x more than public sector teachers then it would have a bit more creedence.

As it is you wonder if the times has its own political agenda...........:rolleyes:

the_ash_and_the_oak

darich wrote: »

As it is you wonder if the times has its own political agenda...........:rolleyes:

In general the newspapers other people read carry agendas and have readerships that fall for their propaganda, while the newspapers we read tell it like it is

worldtraveller

In all these types of discussion in terms of public sector v private sector pay, public sector workers largely ignore the massive difference that their final pensions make. That is conveniently totally ignored, especially when it comes to wage negotiations and their annual increases.

The fact is the public sector earn more and will receive much better pension benefits than private sector workers. They will still receive their pensions at age 60 while the state pension age rises to 68 in coming years. Their pensions are fully inflation-linked and taxpayer guaranteed.

Public sector pensions are worth at least 30% of each worker's salary, each week. That means an average public sector worker on £500 a week also earns another £150 every week in the form of pension accrual, making a total average full-time public sector worker's pay at least £650 per week.

In contrast, an average private sector worker on £440 a week, with no private pension, effectively earns £210 less each week than the public employee, when today's pay plus deferred pay in promised pensions is considered. Even assuming an average employer contribution to a private pension of around 6.8% of salary only adds £30 per week, which would boost private workers average pay to £470 a week. This is still £180 less each week in pay and pensions than public sector workers.

In terms of levels of employment, I fully appreciate that we need the core public sector jobs, but IMHO we need to take a huge sword immediately to the huge number of civil servants and discretionary jobs in the bloated public sector. By the latter I mean the wishy-washy non-jobs that are so typical of the current Government, quango's and local Government.

If the "Director of Communications" and the "Community Space Challenger Co-ordinator", the "Street Football Coordinator" & the "Enviro-Crime Enforcement Officer" think that their jobs are safe....think on! Bye Bye and good riddance!

SGE1

donaldtramp wrote: »

Once again, :rolleyes: I have no wish to have an easy life. I don't want my taxes to subsidise others pensions and wages.
I'm more than willing to pay tax if it is spent correctly. Paying and guaranteeing other peoples pensions isn't money well spent IMO.

Do you understand how the pensions system works?

If so, I assume you're therefore happy for other younger workers not to contribute to your pension when you retire.

You sound old and bitter with jealousy, I'd take a bet that I'm considerably younger than you. The idea that I'll have to pay towards your pension doesn't fill me with glee. Maybe we could make a deal?

SGE1

worldtraveller wrote: »

In all these types of discussion in terms of public sector v private sector pay, public sector workers largely ignore the massive difference that their final pensions make. That is conveniently totally ignored, especially when it comes to wage negotiations and their annual increases.

The fact is the public sector earn more and will receive much better pension benefits than private sector workers. They will still receive their pensions at age 60 while the state pension age rises to 68 in coming years. Their pensions are fully inflation-linked and taxpayer guaranteed.

Public sector pensions are worth at least 30% of each worker's salary, each week. That means an average public sector worker on £500 a week also earns another £150 every week in the form of pension accrual, making a total average full-time public sector worker's pay at least £650 per week.

In contrast, an average private sector worker on £440 a week, with no private pension, effectively earns £210 less each week than the public employee, when today's pay plus deferred pay in promised pensions is considered. Even assuming an average employer contribution to a private pension of around 6.8% of salary only adds £30 per week, which would boost private workers average pay to £470 a week. This is still £180 less each week in pay and pensions than public sector workers.

In terms of levels of employment, I fully appreciate that we need the core public sector jobs, but IMHO we need to take a huge sword immediately to the huge number of discretionary jobs in the bloated public sector. By these I mean the wishy-washy non-jobs that are so typical of the current Government, quango's and local Government.

If the "Director of Communications" and the "Community Space Challenger Co-ordinator", the "Street Football Coordinator" & the "Enviro-Crime Enforcement Officer" think that their jobs are safe....think on! Bye Bye and good riddance!

High on alleged fact, low on proof.

Of course public sector workers won't retire at 60. There'll retire at the same time as everyone else - 65 now (unless they retire in the next couple of years), moving up to 68 later.

Also, another pointer: if you shout loudly that something is a 'fact', that doesn't necessarily make it one. Making up numbers doesn't really do much for an argument.

How grim life would be in your world where anyone that doesn't meet you standards of what a 'worthy' job is would get sacked.

worldtraveller

SGE1 wrote: »

Of course public sector workers won't retire at 60. There'll retire at the same time as everyone else - 65 now (unless they retire in the next couple of years), moving up to 68 later.

If they join the public sector now, yes, but a current 25 year old civil servant can still now retire at 60 in the year 2044 with a fully guaranteed, index-linked pension, whereas anyone else in the private sector will probably have to work well beyond 70!