Public Sector workers laughing all the way to the bank

SGE1

Hello? Massive pink elephant in the room?

"But the ONS gave warning that the survey, based on a 1 per cent sample of records held by HM Revenue & Customs, could have been skewed by a decision to reclassify private sector staff at banks that were bailed out by the taxpayer — Lloyds TSB, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS — as public sector workers."

The grass is always greener...

LittleMissAspie

donaldtramp wrote: »

I work in the private sector and 25% of employees at my company got laid off this year.

And my team used to have 12 people in it two years ago, by next year there will be four left. All the other posts have been or will be made redundant.

donaldtramp wrote: »

Thanks for highlighting the differences:rolleyes:

What do you mean? I was trying to highlight that not every public sector employee has got 3%-odd and in fact my organisation's rise was the same as the private sector.

smartn

ses6jwg wrote: »

Not really bothered.

I'm young, intelligent with excellent qualifications, I''ll get a job elsewhere

Graduated University May 2009 and in a job by June 2009.

People who are out of work more than 6 months are:

1) Too fussy

or
2) Too stupid

or
3) Too lazy

IMVHO

Sorry, I can't let this one go. Congratulations on obtaining a job so quickly but your comments on people being too fussy, stupid and lazy to find work are fairly ignorant.

I'm in the fortunate position of having been employed all my working life (in excess of 20 years) but I consider myself lucky. I am sure that with a recession on there are many unemployed who do not fall in to any of your categories.

zappahey

Hopejack wrote: »

I'm sorry don't agree at all - I've worked in both the public and private sector and always got more salary and higher increases in the private sector. In fact much better benefits full stop bar the pension I'll admit - but again that is dependent on the company in question.

Of course, if we're talking about averages, the figures are heavily skewed by the fact that most of the lower paid public sector jobs, like cleaners, drivers, bin men, etc. have been privatised and this is less true for the higher paid staff.

This pushes up the public sector average, even if pay rates aren't actually rising.

Mr.Brown_4

I worked for a while in the public sector and was struck by the quality and price of their heavily subsidised canteen. Of course the fare consisted mainly of gristle and gruel, but it was cheap and warming on a cruel winters day.

It was quite a shock to my system to 'go private' and have to make my own sandwiches.

donaldtramp

real1314 wrote: »

Just another point.

Did you know that tax breaks for higher earners (40% tax band) costs more than public sector pensions.
It's funny that working class people in the private sector want to deprive £15-20k public servants of their half salary pension (so, £7.5-10k) after 40 years work, whilst not apparently caring that someone on £100k can stick £50k a year into a pension fund without paying a penny in tax on it, thus only losing £30k a year in net income and gaining a £20k pa subsidy via a tax break.

25 years of £7.5-10k pension = bad
40 years of £20k tax break = erm, what, sorry, didn't hear you, well they earn it sort of don't they? erm? mug? me?

Did I know that? Because you say it? Proof please.Over the full population, not one example you have made up.
When you take into account EVERYONE in the public sector and their pensions the liabilities run into hundreds of Billions.
A few people putting £50K a year into a pension (and it will be relatively few) compared to 1/3 of the population running up massive liabilities at the expense of the country.

Get a grip.
Oh and the person in the top tax bracket is EARNING the money in the first place, the public sector employee just gets it topped up on his behalf along with the liabilities handled by the taxpayer.
What about all the folks at the top of the public sector who earn more than the prime minister? And get ludicrous pensions and pay offs?

donaldtramp

Not really bothered.

I'm young, intelligent with excellent qualifications, I''ll get a job elsewhere

Graduated University May 2009 and in a job by June 2009.

Can't be that bright if you went running straight for the public sector eh?
Excellent qualifications? What in? Media studies? History of art or some other nonsense degree?
The public sector seems to be the place all the dregs with no ambition and wishing for an easy life and pension end up.

darich

It's actually quite funny to read opening posts like this one.

After years and years of below inflation payrises, a small, sorry very small, section of public sector workers are alleged to have received higher payrises than an equally small section of private sector workers.

Where was the OP when public sector workers were receving 1% payrise when inflation was 3%?
Or when the conditions in the employment contracts was changed to suit the employers without negotiation?

These sort of threads always degenrate into the public sector workers claiming to have it harder and the privace sector workers claiming they've got it easier. And most comments are from people who have never done both so can't really comment.

I'm a public sector worker.
I've had maybe 2 payrises above inflation in approx 19 years. All the rest were below inflation.
My payrise this year is likely to be 0%.
In the past 5 years or so my section has been reduced from about 14staff to 8. The 6 who have left/retired took many years of experience with them. They were replaced with university graduates.
We're expected to produce at least the same standard and quantity of work as we did with the experienced staff.
We can't get any staff in because the salary on offer is LESS than private sector.

There may well be some section of public sector workers earning more than private sectors but to compare tax experts salary with that of a clothes designer or a chief executive to a farmer is laughable. Was there even a point to survey?????

Why not compare civil engineers salaries? or IT staff salaries? or admin staff salaries? or care worker salaries?
Like for like would have given a truer figure.
I noticed very few, if any, posters have complained about the 242,000 public sector workers on wages below minimum.

Some people only read what they want to.

stonethrower

donaldtramp wrote: »

Can't be that bright if you went running straight for the public sector eh?
Excellent qualifications? What in? Media studies? History of art or some other nonsense degree?
The public sector seems to be the place all the dregs with no ambition and wishing for an easy life and pension end up.

wait for it

the_ash_and_the_oak

the private sector is more affected by the vagaries of the wider economic situation imo

- in times of boom this means greater pay rises compared to the more stable public sector
- in times of bust this means smaller pay rises and greater risk of redundancy than the more stable public sector