Public Sector workers laughing all the way to the bank

Generali

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

the private sector is more affected by the vagaries of the wider economic situation imo

- in times of boom this means greater pay rises compared to the more stable public sector
- in times of bust this means smaller pay rises and greater risk of redundancy than the more stable public sector

That's not been the case over the past 10 years however.

donaldtramp

stonethrower wrote: »

wait for it

I'm just trying to stimulate discussion stonethrower;)

littlemrtinkle

If you see the public sector as such a easy life why not just apply for a job there? As someone who used to work for the public sector and now work for the private sector the reality is a lot different.

donaldtramp

Darich

Why not compare civil engineers salaries? or IT staff salaries? or admin staff salaries? or care worker salaries?
Like for like would have given a truer figure.
I noticed very few, if any, posters have complained about the 242,000 public sector workers on wages below minimum.

Some people only read what they want to.

The sample was 1 percent across the board. That is 1 percent of ALL professions.
So yes you are correct, some people just read what they want to:rolleyes:

donaldtramp

littlemrtinkle wrote: »

If you see the public sector as such a easy life why not just apply for a job there? As someone who used to work for the public sector and now work for the private sector the reality is a lot different.

Once again, :rolleyes: I have no wish to have an easy life. I don't want my taxes to subsidise others pensions and wages.
I'm more than willing to pay tax if it is spent correctly. Paying and guaranteeing other peoples pensions isn't money well spent IMO.

dbarcl10

Laughing all the way to the bank????

What planet is OP on? I work for a Local Authority with about 25,000 staff - nearly a quarter are being over early retirement with the warning that if not enough go, there will be compulsary redundancies. We are faced with a £38m cut in our budget for 2010/11 and foresee cuts of around 12% for each of the following three years.

We've been warned not to expect a pay rise for the next few years, and that a pay cut hasn't been ruled out.

So, we'll have fewer staff, less finance, but still the public will expect a certain level of service and won't want their Council Tax to be increased. So who do they take their frustration out on? Thats right, the remaining Council staff.

We are hardly laughing all the way to the bank, we do a job to try to help our community, if we wanted to be 'laughing all the way to the bank', we'd get straight OUT of the public sector

the_ash_and_the_oak

I would like my taxes not to have been used for the war in iraq or the royal family imo

macaque_2

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

If you like the payrises of the public sector you should apply for a job in the public sector imo

I envy the money rent boys earn but I don't want to be one myself.

The public sector employs too many people, and pays too much for the skills they need. In recent years, the quality of essential services (schools, police, waste collection, roads) has declined whilst public servants invent for new roles themselves. Most of these roles are unnessary and many cause more harm than good.

An oversized and overpaid public sector undermines wealth creation. People who would once have designed cars now find it more lucrative to work as diversity coordinators. The tax required to employ them and red tape they generate erodes productivity and scares off wealth creating creating business.

The government have employed close to a million extra public sector workers since 1997. They have also bankrolled millions of extra jobs in PFI arrangements, quangos, public funded charities, consultants and contractors.

This or the next government will have to face up to diabolical mess they have made at some point. Millions of publicly funded jobs will have to go, salaries will be cut, perks will be slashed and pensions will be changed to what normal have to accept.

LizEstelle

The OP is talking rubbish.

Public sector workers are essential, overworked and underpaid throughout their working lives compared with their private sector counterparts.

That they have relative job security is always a target for jealous moaning in times of recession but then, in the better times, there seems to be an interesting shortage of the same moaners clamouring for public sector jobs.

donaldtramp

What planet is OP on? I work for a Local Authority with about 25,000 staff - nearly a quarter are being over early retirement with the warning that if not enough go, there will be compulsary redundancies. We are faced with a £38m cut in our budget for 2010/11 and foresee cuts of around 12% for each of the following three years.

I'm in the real world dbac.
Yup, we've also had 25% lay offs (compulsary, no other option!!) in my workplace and they didn't get the cushy "early retirement" option and associated cheques that the public sector are offered. Straight to the dole office.
A world of difference.

You better get used to it I'm afraid. It aint gonna get any better for you guys.
The public will have to get used to the fact that their "entitlement" culture that labour created is coming to an end.
Blunt but that's the way it is. I really don't think you've seen anything yet.